Thermal Scan broken/Frozen in floor slab heating system with Flir Camera

Mark Saiger

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Been a little nitch I have been doing for awhile. Not a lot of calls, but when I am needed, we have figured out how we can heat up the lines, scan them and find potential breaks.

This floor today had 3 separate heat runs (reason for the different colored chalk)

The first run took over 30 minutes to get to pop up on the camera, the other 2 runs were a bit easier.

There are approximately 12 plus breaks in this floor.

Insurance company will have to figure out with the client how to proceed.

I imagine, they are going to have the spots we discovered tore apart (Jackhammer) and spliced, then pressure test and go from there, or tear it all out.....or try to buy the clients off and install other heat source.

There is an antifreeze you can run in these (which I have in mine) that can prevent this, but the installer said it would take away from better heating (actually there is a mix ratio so you don't rob the heat)

Procedure

Our Butler Truckmount set the psi down to 10 or so psi (not over 20)

Heat was at max yet, but truckmount only on idle and only producing about 200 degrees (hose rated for about 145 degrees) but with loss of heat to entrance point, no problem.

Hook up a connector to each heat loop, put your suction on the other end.....and start the process.

We then used chalk to mark the lines, used Blue tape to mark potential spots that are broken.

We use different colored chalk for each heat loop to help separate out and also for insurance company and adjuster review. The blue tape is areas we marked of suspected line breaks. They are very bright on the thermal cam and like pin hole spikes.

Video shows a bit, but we bill $200 per hour....we will bill $1200 plus tax today.

Was a 2 hour drive round trip.

It took about 150 gallons of water today to heat and scan these 3 heat loops.

Mark Saiger
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Mark Saiger

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Did they just assume the lines were broken, or did they see seepage or some indication?

Guy is from Indiana and has this cabin (really nice cabin) they are building way up in the wilderness.

He got his December electric bill and it was only $15....

So he got in his vehicle and drove straight through to find it all froze up, pipes broke and the infloor heat system out.

He did not have antifreeze in the infloor lines, called a plumber, they pressure tested and then called me with insurance company approval.

Of course, these are closed loop systems and no way for them to activate them, so I came up with this a few years ago that I could use the truckmount....and it worked :)

Not sure what they are going to do yet for fixing it, but at least have given them and idea where (or when and if) to started jack hammering out the concrete....gonna be spendy!
 

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I had one of those exact flir cameras and tried to basically give it to chavez and he didn't want it. Chavez and his guys like to carry around laptop sized Flir cameras.

Mark you should get your hands on a flir e50 or e60, as the resolution is flat out amazing, just get it used because new they are about 6-8 grand.
 
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I had one of those exact flir cameras and tried to basically give it to chavez and he didn't want it. Chavez and his guys like to carry around laptop sized Flir cameras.

Mark you should get your hands on a flir e50 or e60, as the resolution is flat out amazing, just get it used because new they are about 6-8 grand.

Chavez said to send it to me, but I still haven't received it.... :dejection:
 

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I had one of those exact flir cameras and tried to basically give it to chavez and he didn't want it. Chavez and his guys like to carry around laptop sized Flir cameras.

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Yes ours are much large display but before I could even decide on that one you sold it to some other dude. :cry:
 
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2005-10-01-SAT-23-10-17-079.jpg locate excessive heat...IMG_1690.JPG ventilate as needed...
 

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On the other hand mark I wouldn't have publish this cool way of discovery as your locals will more than likely now be able to copy you as they (I had never every thought of this) more than likely had no idea how to do this.

Good niche for sure.
 
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When I was installing - ONCE - I pouded tack strip down on a floor with radiant heat. Insurance covered it. Then, I learned to mop the floor and watch which parts dried fastest.Duh.
 
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