Legend Brands acquires Prochem

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In this time of bigger and bigger players, mergers acquisitions and consolidations.
I wonder if their next move will be trying to cut out the middle man. That is the suppliers. These conglomerates always push for higher growth and greater margins.

No doubt in my mind that's coming. We saw it in other industries. I am sure that sooner or later, they will try and have a go at it in this one as well.

I for one will not support it.
 

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In this time of bigger and bigger players, mergers acquisitions and consolidations.
I wonder if their next move will be trying to cut out the middle man. That is the suppliers. These conglomerates always push for higher growth and greater margins.

No doubt in my mind that's coming. We saw it in other industries. I am sure that sooner or later, they will try and have a go at it in this one as well.

I for one will not support it.

How does cutting out your distribution chain improve profits! You need some one to sell and install and work on your stuff.
 

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How does cutting out your distribution chain improve profits! You need some one to sell and install and work on your stuff.
Like Verizon and T-Mobile and costco and Amazon.....
You open your own branches and pocket the profits, Sam. Look at the mark up on chems.
Will they be able to cater to the individual cleaner and duplicate the trust and relationship is doubtful. I am sure they will try.

May not be the next move but its coming.
 
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Going to trade your 1200 for a EZ?


that will show them..
Nope.
If I said "too late" for that, would you believe me?

Whats an EZ?

The "loss" of PC was not a big deal. As it is there isn't much of a difference between PC truck mounts and SS. Pretty much designed by the same people with minor differences. Same for the Chemicalss, only RPM bought Chemspec and added to the line. SS original line was pretty much like PC.
Once Karcher bought PC and kicked out all the people that were responsible for its original success they stopped being an innovative company. To begin with they were never super responsive to the cleaners and once these people were gone, they pretty much lost touch with the cleaners even more.

SS when they started were much more responsive to the cleaners needs. See their posts here in the beginning. They were hungry and they were mad as hell. Not so much now. And they are much bigger. And they were bought by another big pocket company. Wonder if that pattern is a recipe for something. We'll see.

Want to bet that this is not the end of it?

P.S. As of now. I am keeping my 1200. Unless SS is willing buy me out. Make me in offer. In that case I'll switch in a heart beat.
 
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Nope.
If I said "too late" for that, would you believe me?

Whats an EZ?

The "loss" of PC was not a big deal. As it is there isn't much of a difference between PC truck mounts and SS. Pretty much designed by the same people with minor differences. Same for the Chemicalss, only RPM bought Chemspec and added to the line. SS original line was pretty much like PC.
Once Karcher bought PC and kicked out all the people that were responsible for its original success they stopped being an innovative company. To begin with they were never super responsive to the cleaners and once these people were gone, they pretty much lost touch with the cleaners even more.

SS when they started were much more responsive to the cleaners needs. See their posts here in the beginning. They were hungry and they were mad as hell. Not so much now. And they are much bigger. And they were bought by another big pocket company. Wonder if that pattern is a recipe for something. We'll see.

Want to bet that this is not the end of it?

P.S. As of now. I am keeping my 1200. Unless SS is willing buy me out. Make me in offer. In that case I'll switch in a heart beat.
 

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Like Verizon and T-Mobile and costco and Amazon.....
You open your own branches and pocket the profits, Sam. Look at the mark up on chems.
Will they be able to cater to the individual cleaner and duplicate the trust and relationship is doubtful. I am sure they will try.

May not be the next move but its coming.
Aramsco is doing that with Interlink....
 

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They all do. It's the nature of the beast.
Hopefully due to its traditional progress, it will also be an opening for smaller, nimbler and more innovative companies.
 
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Nope.
If I said "too late" for that, would you believe me?

Whats an EZ?

The "loss" of PC was not a big deal. As it is there isn't much of a difference between PC truck mounts and SS. Pretty much designed by the same people with minor differences. Same for the Chemicalss, only RPM bought Chemspec and added to the line. SS original line was pretty much like PC.
Once Karcher bought PC and kicked out all the people that were responsible for its original success they stopped being an innovative company. To begin with they were never super responsive to the cleaners and once these people were gone, they pretty much lost touch with the cleaners even more.

SS when they started were much more responsive to the cleaners needs. See their posts here in the beginning. They were hungry and they were mad as hell. Not so much now. And they are much bigger. And they were bought by another big pocket company. Wonder if that pattern is a recipe for something. We'll see.

Want to bet that this is not the end of it?

P.S. As of now. I am keeping my 1200. Unless SS is willing buy me out. Make me in offer. In that case I'll switch in a heart beat.


switch to what?

A Butler?
 

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In this time of bigger and bigger players, mergers acquisitions and consolidations.
I wonder if their next move will be trying to cut out the middle man. That is the suppliers. These conglomerates always push for higher growth and greater margins.

No doubt in my mind that's coming. We saw it in other industries. I am sure that sooner or later, they will try and have a go at it in this one as well.

I for one will not support it.
I don't see that being too much of a big deal. Keep in mind, we still have Hydramaster, a major team in the game of truck mounts. Then there's that Canadian truckount company...the one that sold their truck mount to an alabamian. A Canadian doing business with an alabamian? I'll never understand it.

But back on the subject, if they do what Verizon did and make a foolish move to boot Jondon, TCS, Interlink, or any other supplier, they'll really regret it, because the other players in the truck mount game will fill in their spot
 

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So maybe an insider can answer me this.... if I was going to soon pull the trigger on an Everest, would that be foolish?
I don't think it'd be foolish. The dealer you bought it from would still support you on it.

My opinion is, I don't see Prochem going anywhere any time soon. It's too good of a product to just Merge into sapphire. If anything, I see Sapphire vanishing before prochem.

There's more problems reported on these forums and Facebook with Sapphire than prochem.

Yes, Sapphire puts out more vacuum and heat, but Prochem puts out more reliability. If Legend brands are smart, they'll Leave Prochem right where it is
 

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Here's my thoughts:

Prochem was needing a direct drive with all the new F-Ugly vans being flooded in the market, and chemspec can't compete with prochem's chemicals, nor can they compete with prochem's reliable truck mounts, yet both have great support with all their products. Could prochem just add another truck mount to the fleet to make it direct drive? I'm sure, but they didn't have the balls to experiment. Laura told me herself that they like to use what's been reliable for them and not tweak with anything new that might make it unreliable to their customers. That's a good mindset for a distributor to have, only it could be dangerous for them not to change with the times. That's what I think Prochem is doing...just adapting to the flow of the market. I don't see them vanishing any time in the next 10 years
 
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