Legend Brands acquires Prochem

[Larry Cobb]

Larry, Thank you for your testing efforts, but so far I don't see where anyone has tested to determine what the minimum vacuum, Lift and CFM, needs to be at the end of 100' of 2" vac hose, 150', 200', etc.
Finally, here's a question for everyone:
When you have a single vacuum pump on a TM, and you split it off to run dual wands, is the total CFM cut in half going to each wand?

We did test CFM with calibrated meter with single 14" wand and then added a 12" wand. Adding the 2nd 12" wand reduced the CFM to 75% of the single wand (#47 blower).
A 2nd 14" wand would drop it a little more; ~71%.

We did test for lift a long hose lengths and got 5" hg. on carpet @ 500' of 2" hose (with 15" hg @ TM). Or ~10" on carpet @ 250' of 2" hose (with 15" hg @ TM).

 

[jcooper]

jcooper said: ↑
You have a glide, Steve???
Never forget, first day with my new PCTI and not being able to push the darn thing. I was sweating my arse off after one room! Had to go back to the baby wand, til I got a glide....
No glide, then I would need to carry a vacuum lol

Slot glide... Not those little goofy holes!

Really, you will wonder why you didn't get one earlier. Get a real green glide, best 150-200$ ever spent. Mines lasted 5 years!

 

[BIG WOOD]

Slot glide... Not those little goofy holes!

Really, you will wonder why you didn't get one earlier. Get a real green glide, best 150-200$ ever spent. Mines lasted 5 years!

If you get those goofy holes in that dildo glide, you'll need to turn up your hg's to Larry's 16

 

[steve_64]

Dude you need a glide.

I'm a man. It's just pain.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Don't be a Cave-man. There is no need for pain.

 

[Mikey P]

Sometimes I leave the filter dirty to make wanding easier.

I didn't think anyone was stuuupider than Jimmy.

 

[D Luke]

Yeah, I mean, to each his own, but keep your filters clean and turn the RPMs down a bit if that's what it takes.

 

[Bob Savage]

We did test CFM with calibrated meter with single 14" wand and then added a 12" wand. Adding the 2nd 12" wand reduced the CFM to 75% of the single wand (#47 blower).
A 2nd 14" wand would drop it a little more; ~71%.

We did test for lift a long hose lengths and got 5" hg. on carpet @ 500' of 2" hose (with 15" hg @ TM). Or ~10" on carpet @ 250' of 2" hose (with 15" hg @ TM).

What was your plumbing arrangement on the vac system?

A #47 blower has a 3" intake and exhaust.

What size is the silencer intake and exhaust?

What size hose goes to the recovery tank from the intake on the #47?

What size port/hose comes off the recovery tank and goes to the front panel of the truckmount, and are there two 2" ports on the machine for dual wands?

If so, how are the 2 ports set up in relation to the recovery tank (splitter or Wye)?

Thanks...

 

[Larry Cobb]

What was your plumbing arrangement on the vac system?

A #47 blower has a 3" intake and exhaust.
What size is the silencer intake and exhaust?
What size hose goes to the recovery tank from the intake on the #47?

What size port/hose comes off the recovery tank and goes to the front panel of the truckmount, and are there two 2" ports on the machine for dual wands?

3" Wire-reinforced hose from blower to rec. tank.
3" In & out on silencer (internal design is more important)
Two separate 2" outlets from the recovery tank connected directly to the 2" vac hoses.

Now, where is the testing from all the engineers at the "national brand" TM's ? ? ?

 

[Desk Jockey]

How many TM'S did you sell in 2016 Larry?

 

[Cleanworks]

An experienced cleaner can tell when something is wrong. You don't need instruments to tell you that your wand isn't sticking to the carpet like it was a little while ago. This happens a lot to carpet cleaners, you are cleaning along and all of a sudden, you hit an area that the customer has spot cleaned. Right away, you lose suction and air flow and your wand goes quiet as the foam clogs up everything. You spray a little defoamer and your wand returns to normal. You can physically see and feel the reaction. You always need a balance of lift and cfm. For example, I have a ninja portable with 2-8 amp vacuum motors in series. On the vac gauge, it gives me 14 inches hg. I also have a portable that has 2-13.5 amp vacuum motors in parallel fed through a manifold into the waste tank. It gives me only 10 inches hg. Which one is more powerful?

Since nobody can answer my question, I'll do it for you. The machine with the 2-13.5 amp vacs in parallel. Even though it has less lift, it has a ton more airflow which makes the wand stick to the carpet. Most tm' are capable of the same lift. Those with larger blowers also give you more airflow, which will put the available lift where you need it. At the wand. Cranking up the lift on a small blower doesn't give you dryer carpets. It actually reduces your air flow. If you want to run longer hoses, you need more air flow (larger blower) not more lift. A #3 blower produces exactly the same lift as a #5 blower.

 

[steve_64]

Yeah, I mean, to each his own, but keep your filters clean and turn the RPMs down a bit if that's what it takes.

My first apartment today.

I'm not stopping to change it out at apartments. Someone's home yes I do keep it cleaner. I filled it up again on the last job just before I had a breakdown.

 

[dgardner]

Since nobody can answer my question, I'll do it for you.

No one can, or everyone chose not to?

 

[greencc]

not right ron. if you use up most of the available lift for you tm then you will not have enought lift at the wand. example is 150 fet of 1.5 inch hose. if you vac relief is set at 13" and you use up 10" of lift because of hose and wand then you have exactly 3" of lift to use. yes cfm will be low also but lift is what gets the water into the vac hose.

every machine is restricted in the vac system. most makers restrict it by using a small silencer and not running the blower fast enough. but other things can restrict it too

 

[greencc]

higher lift does lower cfm but not for cc machines. that limiter is the vac relief valve. if we have the same machine and the same setup but you set the relief 12" and i set mine at 16" then i will have more vac than you do. i will have more available lift at the capet than you can have just physics

 

[Cleanworks]

Take your own test. Set up your hoses and test the lift both at the truck and then at the end of the hose with a vac gauge. You will find the lift is the same. It will just take longer to get there at the end of your hose.

 

[dealtimeman]

This is why larger blower with appropriate power+larger hose diameter+large waste tank works so well.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Rico;

Usually about two Dynachem TM's per month.

They last too long . . .

 

[EDS]

Mergers and acquisitions make sense. Economies of scale...which could lower prices and bleed out the remaining compition. Which could lead to further consolidation at greater value for the consoladtor...if the wound is deep.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Mergers and acquisitions make sense. Economies of scale...which could lower prices and bleed out the remaining competition.

All the mergers I see,
require higher pricing to pay down the money used to buy the other company.

Not to mention good employees losing their jobs.

 

[SamIam]

Take your own test. Set up your hoses and test the lift both at the truck and then at the end of the hose with a vac gauge. You will find the lift is the same. It will just take longer to get there at the end of your hose.

Not to long with a 4.8 blower

 

[BIG WOOD]

All the mergers I see,
require higher pricing to pay down the money used to buy the other company.

Not to mention good employees losing their jobs.

If this merge causes job loss, I'm sure those news reports will come on here first.

 

[Desk Jockey]

All the mergers I see,
require higher pricing to pay down the money used to buy the other company.

Not to mention good employees losing their jobs.

Wow empathy for those employed by the companies you consistently bash. Damn if you don't have a heart in there somewhere. Its a cold one but you gots one.

 

[hogjowl]

Look what your cousin did to Argentina

 

[EDS]

If this merge causes job loss, I'm sure those news reports will come on here first.

Oh it will cause job loses. Often the pencil pushers become redundant. I think that line of argumentation could be pandering. Typical appeal to empathy tactic. For the most part we are front line workers so that argument will appeal to the us...
Could be naked self interest making that comment. Don't know enough about Larry to comment with certainty. But if my hypothesis is true then he would stand to lose. Don't get me wrong there will always be a market for garage built TM's. But they become less attractive if the big boys can lower there prices.

Curious to know the market share of SS and PC...

 

[BIG WOOD]

Oh it will cause job loses. Often the pencil pushers become redundant. I think that line of argumentation could be pandering. Typical appeal to empathy tactic. For the most part we are front line workers so that argument will appeal to the us...
Could be naked self interest making that comment. Don't know enough about Larry to comment with certainty. But if my hypothesis is true then he would stand to lose. Don't get me wrong there will always be a market for garage built TM's. But they become less attractive if the big boys can lower there prices.

Curious to know the market share of SS and PC...

I don't see any jobs being lost. I just see prochem as being another division, just like sapphire is a division of Legend brands