yo TM junkies... can you tell me how this happens?

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Anything other then HWE. Don't even start on the TM vs PORTY in residential detached. Low moisture would be 1st degree murder charge in my mothers home. No question. The porty guy could go either way. Manslaughter (sever beating and he/she died) vs hiring them to be a helper...
Lol i am porty user and i would never say it is better than TM... Encapsulation is used by many elite carpet cleaner....for example: cimex..while they may prefer hwe through and through. Unless you are hardcore and have absolutely nothing to do with vlm. If so i respect that.
 

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Anything other then HWE. Don't even start on the TM vs PORTY in residential detached. Low moisture would be 1st degree murder charge in my mothers home. No question. The porty guy could go either way. Manslaughter (sever beating and he/she died) vs hiring them to be a helper...

Dude, I'm not sure about you. You have not a clue about the cleaning process or ever researched into it. And your comments are just ignorant. Like more than marty and jimmys and I've learned to love them. Do you even own a cleaning company or just here to be a dickhead?
 
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Dude, I'm not sure about you. You have not a clue about the cleaning process or ever researched into it. And your comments are just ignorant. Like more than marty and jimmys and I've learned to love them. Do you even own a cleaning company or just here to be a dickhead?
Thank you for feeding the troll. I probably have it wrong. Im sorry. Do you another do another process other then HWE in residential? So sorry if you don't. But if you do you can eat shH...( just kidding) well you do and I clean better then you!!!!

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We did a 5,000 sq. ft. call center for a timeshare company. It was in really bad shape. Heavy black traffic on light colored. Used a 175 with a red pads followed by crb with compound. Came out perfecto.
And where was the flushing...
And really can you name that animal penis...
 
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Gluing it back down that way probably wasn't the right decision either.

certainly too much, as it squished out.
if they used the correct glue at all...

is Host your primary method, Will?
if so, how do you get rid of all the d'limo solvent you used to get the glue off?
does solvent soaked corncob really remove it all?

thanks

.L.T.A.
 

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There was an interest article by Lew Migliore about 4 years ago -Planar Instability of Carpet Tiles. The different layers of a carpet tiles expand and contract at different rates with changes in humidity and temperature. Anything, including cleaning, that changes the temperature and humidity significantly can cause carpet tile edges to curl up slightly.

Adhesive was never meant to keep the tile stuck firmly to the floor. In fact mills have often marketed the ease of removing a carpet tile and replacing it when necessary was one of the key selling features of carpet tile. Tile manufacturers are increasingly asking installers to use more and stronger adhesives which negates this selling point. But it does allow mills to blame the installers when edges curl up.

The moisture of cleaning and the quality of installation play a role but IMO the key factor is the inability of the manufacturers to make a tile that will stay flat under all normal conditions.
 

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I wonder if an application of a solvent protector right after install would help with future cleanings?
 

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There was an interest article by Lew Migliore about 4 years ago -Planar Instability of Carpet Tiles. The different layers of a carpet tiles expand and contract at different rates with changes in humidity and temperature. Anything, including cleaning, that changes the temperature and humidity significantly can cause carpet tile edges to curl up slightly.

Adhesive was never meant to keep the tile stuck firmly to the floor. In fact mills have often marketed the ease of removing a carpet tile and replacing it when necessary was one of the key selling features of carpet tile. Tile manufacturers are increasingly asking installers to use more and stronger adhesives which negates this selling point. But it does allow mills to blame the installers when edges curl up.

The moisture of cleaning and the quality of installation play a role but IMO the key factor is the inability of the manufacturers to make a tile that will stay flat under all normal conditions.
What about velcro? I think that would be awesome to apply some giant velcro pad over the subfloor and just velcro the tile to it
 

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Sounds like an inspector needs to be called in to test these area to determine what may have caused the problem. Leaves you out of it. If you don't solve their problem, you are just another carpet cleaner in their eyes.
I probably would not touch and gracefully decline.

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IMO-- Weak glue on carpet tiles installed on dusty floor is the cause.
Thats why the mill is telling installers to use better and additional glue.
 

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Those glue spots that you were able to remove will most likely be back in a few weeks.

One of my customers, a pest control company, had his employees install those same exact tiles and had the same issue with the glue coming up through the seams.

They made several attempts in small areas before calling me. I found with citrus gel and high heat, lots of flushing I could get them out but over time those spots were still sticky enough to attract soil prematurely.

I cleaned for them quarterly till they moved to a new building. It did improve some with each cleaning but they did continue to come back.
 
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The test spot did already start to slowly re appear. She texted me the picture. Instead of them having us try fixing each spot, they are going to replace the tiles then have us do a full deep clean. Nice 1k commercial job. Only traffic is from the bathroom areas to carpet.
 
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The test spot did already start to slowly re appear. She texted me the picture. Instead of them having us try fixing each spot, they are going to replace the tiles then have us do a full deep clean. Nice 1k commercial job. Only traffic is from the bathroom areas to carpet.

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Carpet Tiles were laid a year ago, and are coming up. And we are encapping for first cleaning. But how could they be coming up with such good floor prep! lol
 

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Gotta start franchising. Tons of high rises in Waikiki that could use our deep cleaning. :headbang: Or 1 hour dry time. :lol:

Be my guest... There's enough business for everyone... Host lost its cleaning ability when they did away with the 111trichlor...

There's Heavens best, oxyclean, and a bunch of others who do a dry cleaning here.. I have a problem with people using a method that is meant for Commercial carpet interim maintenance method in a residential setting..

Rant over, and yes there is a lot of HWE clowns that soak the carpets too..
 

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Agree to disagree. Nothing to say that hasn't been said before.

Maybe I'll just move there and collect shells on the beach at night to sell. Or tell people it's a $5 fee to hike Diamond Head. Is that where you are located in Waikiki? Or what part?

Been there 8 times, one of my favorite places.
 
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I service the whole island, but have a bunch of vacation rentals in Waikiki.. Believe it or not Maui is a gold mine.. A friend who recently passed away was bring in easy 1k daily by himself portable work..

I'm a city boy where the outer islands are too slow for me.. Money to be made anywhere...
 
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I service the whole island, but have a bunch of vacation rentals in Waikiki.. Believe it or not Maui is a gold mine.. A friend who recently passed away was bring in easy 1k daily by himself portable work..

I'm a city boy where the outer islands are too slow for me.. Money to be made anywhere...
Do you know keoni and kimo mulder?
 

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yea, cause I'd like him to provide a link of who/how/which/what "tests have proven" his claim


If you think about it, if dirty water is removed from the carpet, but the carpet is left wet, isn’t the moisture remaining in the carpet the exact same dirty water? Tests have proven that to remove the dirty water to an acceptable level with hot water extraction (or steam cleaning), the carpets would need to be thoroughly rinsed as many as 16 times.


the rest of his baloney shows he's obviously a brain washed clueless mOOk that has no real world experience with different methods
just another moron in a sea of numb nuts

..L.T.A.
 
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I tend to keep to myself.. I only know cleaners who bring us rugs to clean.. My pops on the other hand is a chatterbox... I have no problem giving advise or showing tools.. Some cleaners ruined me loaning out tools..
 

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the rest of his baloney shows he's obviously a brain washed clueless mOOk that has no real world experience with different methods
just another moron in a sea of numb nuts

..L.T.A.

Yea. Probably just like the 250+ Oxi Fresh franchises and hundreds of other vlm cleaners.

And me...
 

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I service the whole island, but have a bunch of vacation rentals in Waikiki.. Believe it or not Maui is a gold mine.. A friend who recently passed away was bring in easy 1k daily by himself portable work..

I'm a city boy where the outer islands are too slow for me.. Money to be made anywhere...

How do you clean high rises? With portables? Is there a lot of business with them?
 
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Yea. Probably just like the 250+ Oxi Fresh franchises and hundreds of other vlm cleaners.

And me...
I'm going to be cleaning up after an Oxifresh next week, I'll take pics, my wife said it was horrible!! Looking to make $300 an hour..

Thank you!
 
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Side note: Will you can really hide some dirt, based on your before and afters!!
 

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