hogjowl
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Shut up Chavez.
For a long time, I used Chemspec Grease Eraser. It worked fantastic, especially when a booster was added to brighten the light colored carpet at a low dilution. But like all pre sprays, I got bored of it, when Firestorm and SS1 came out. I've only used the sample of SS1, but I've got a 5 gallon bucket coming in the mail soon.
Currently, I'm using Grand Slam, the popular copied butyl pre spray that's on most pre spray shelves. The good thing about Grand slam is they're coming out with a new version of it soon where you don't have to shake it up. So I assume it will be sprayed more evenly
Yes, I have no idea how that came out to chemspec. I must be half asleep, considering it's 3:42am over hereYou mean Chemeisters grease eraser?
ARA made by pros choiceI always thought Pro-Zyme was the best pre-spray I had ever used, but that a bit of traffic lane wicking was immediate no matter how much I pre-vac'd or rinsed. Ended up trying other things and never got back to it, but seriously, it works great.
Prozyme is my regular prespray and it does a great job. Add a little osr for the Browning issuesPro-zyme works great for us. When things get a little nastier we will boost with Firestorm or go full strength Firestorm. We had been using Flex but I really like the way Firestorm seems to destroy traffic lane soil with minimal crb action.
You mean Chemeisters grease eraser?
How much polyester carpet are you cleaning now ???
When the ph is in a high state, it is the same as hard water is on your hands with soap. It can't rinse the surfactant out, and when the surfactant dries, it becomes sticky and attracts more dirt fasterWhat makes a high pH hard to rinse? Doesn't it leave with the dirt?
Ok, you impressed the pretty girl but isn't ARA like an encap, after rinse, reduce wicking type of product?ARA made by pros choice
Why? I find hard water rinses my hands better than sift. My soft water just keeps the soap foaming more. I have to rinse a lot more to remove it all so this doesn't make sense to me.When the ph is in a high state, it is the same as hard water is on your hands with soap. It can't rinse the surfactant out, and when the surfactant dries, it becomes sticky and attracts more dirt faster
That doesn't answer my question.Quoting an expert of cleaning on high pH . . .
"Caustics, a major ingredient of cleaners, are poor rinsers."
You're the first one I know to say that hard water rinses better. I don't know the chemistry of all the alkaline pre sprays, and from what our suppliers have told us...today's high ph pre spray rinses better than the high ph pre sprays 20years ago with normal hot tap water. Have you checked the ph of your city water? It might not be as hard as you think. My tap water is a hair over 7ph, so I don't feel like I need an acid rinse on synthetic nor do I need a water softener.Why? I find hard water rinses my hands better than sift. My soft water just keeps the soap foaming more. I have to rinse a lot more to remove it all so this doesn't make sense to me.
If I out down a gallon of high pH prespray and rinse that with 30 gallons of fresh hot water is there still any prespray left? How much do I need to use to remove it all?
Do I need to do a litmus test on every job to be sure I've removed it all. I don't have resoiling issues very often if at all. Even when I was using my bane.
So what's the real issue here?
I've even checked carpet for dryness with my moisture probe after cleaning and have had it not go off where I prespray lightly. It does go off where I soak it with prespray though. Like when I'm treating for urine odors or severe soiling.
I'm not sure why larry thinks that it's hard to rinse. Heck, 600psi at 200f should get the majority of it out. At least that's the way I think. And I've been wrong more than onceNot sure about my pH here but the hardness is about 20. That's why I bought a softner. I can rub my hands after rinsing and still get a little foam so I have to use agitation by rubbing harder to get it all out. Not so with hard water. I think the minerals in hard water cut down the foam. Not sure if it's the same on carpet. But you leave less minerals behind with soft water and it's better for the machine.
I understand the old products were sticky and foamy but I don't think it's just because they were a higher ph. I've used some lower pH around nine and ten that dried sticky and we're foamy and hard to rinse.
So why do people say just because it's high pH it's hard to rinse?
Not sure about my pH here but the hardness is about 20. That's why I bought a softner. I can rub my hands after rinsing and still get a little foam so I have to use agitation by rubbing harder to get it all out. Not so with hard water. I think the minerals in hard water cut down the foam. Not sure if it's the same on carpet. But you leave less minerals behind with soft water and it's better for the machine.
I understand the old products were sticky and foamy but I don't think it's just because they were a higher ph. I've used some lower pH around nine and ten that dried sticky and we're foamy and hard to rinse.
So why do people say just because it's high pH it's hard to rinse?
No. Just yesterday I tried just using clean free on a lightly soiled rental and there was no improvement. Had to go strong to release the soil around where the furniture was.New clients - Do you all do an airwand before hitting everything with high pH presprays?
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