Encap on antique Iranian rugs?

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  1. Sierra Clean Care
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    Thanks for sharing.

    After seeing the pictures, I'd go low moisture on the red Iranian just be sure there's no color migration.

    The others should be able to be wet cleaned, as long as you extract and dry as quickly as possible.

    Thankfully no long fringes to clean, these all look like modern production weaving. Watch the reds, they might move a little, otherwise they should be very straight forward.
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    The red Iranian looks just like the one I used the compound on. I love the actual Experts here that are being helpful. I know I have much to learn when it comes to rug cleaning.
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    What about fringe work? Chems, tools? I have a SS uph Pro, an external jetted tool, a crevice tool. And chems? Do I want to spray the edge of the carpet with acid to prevent crocking/ bleeding? I know to use a neutral cleaner, and rinse on the acid side, and force dry quickly.... suggestions? I’ve got folding tables I’m planning on working on the fringes....
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    E64489C3-B0E8-4038-985A-5A52B492A048.png Would it be ok to use compound on questionable ones, and use this in the others?, of course wet clean the fringes?....
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    I would just use that on all of them if I were you. Fringes included.

    Tamp it on the fringes with a brush, towel off, speed dry. Spray on and CRB the pile.

    Vacuum both sides before and after cleaning.
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    Thank you for your response.
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    It's so hard to tell someone else what to do because we all do things a little differently. These are all rugs that I have cleaned many times. You develop a feel for what might bleed and how to prevent it. I wet all of these types using products like Prochem fine fabric shampoo using a 175 with tank and brush, Prochem fine fabric prespray and sometimes a little acid to sour the solutions down to aprox 5ph. I rinse with a powerful portable using Prochem axiom neutral extraction detergent, again sometimes souring with a little acid. I flush extremely well using the Zipper and extract until I see no more moisture through the clear tube. I normally use the 175 to clean the fringes then detail them if necessary with an upholstery tool. It's okay to get them wet but you have to dry, dry, dry. If you end up having your fringes brown, use Chemspec rx for browning powder. Mix up an ounce in a spray bottle with hot water, mist on and brush out. Vacuum thoroughly before cleaning and again before you wrap them for delivery. Once I have my wash pit installed, I would have no problem washing these style rugs with full immersion. What works for me may not work for you. Sometimes, you may have identical looking rugs and one may bleed and the other wont. Often depends on what has been done to them before, excess dye stuffs, urine stains, prior cleanings, etc. I have never used an encap like Releasit on rugs, have no idea how it will respond. Test, test, test.
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    They look pretty darn clean.

    Vacuum.front and back real well, mist with the Releasit and compound clean em..

    Then go to rug school.
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    Thankyou everyone for your response. The compound is supposed to be here this afternoon. My only concern is crocking into the fringe. But I’ve got a plan. Wish me luck.
    Jeff @ SCC
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    Looking at the back of one of the Iranian rugs, Looks like the blue has already ran from previous cleanings.
    I've cleaned all those same design rugs before with alot of water. The rugs had the extra risk of cleaning because they were urine soaked. Clean on the acid side. If the colors start to run keep flushing with water until the running stops. You might need to apply fringe bleach (sodium metebisulfate, or Haitian cotton cleaner) with a paint brush to the fringe to whiten them if the color ran. Fringe generally turns brown because soil and detergent is still in the rug and need to be cleaned again.
    Its understandable but sad if you feel you need to do a subpar encap cleaning until you get some training. :errf:
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    Doug Hieferman, Joe Roberts and I will be teaching a hands-on Rug Washing class twice this year. Dates are May 22-24th in Austin TX and Nov 9th - 11th in San Diego California. The class is mostly hands-on with students washing rugs under instructor supervisions. We will be cleaning rugs that stink (urine contamination), rugs that bleed, rugs that shrink and other problem rugs. There will also be a few hours on marketing. I will be posting more details by the end of the week.
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    Bring the roadshow to Canada....
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    It has been discussed for Spring of 2019. We will keep it in mind.
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    It doesn't get much better than Vancouver in the spring.
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    Totally agree will Willy... Canada sucks for any education to do with cleaning.....
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    I don't know, I had 2 really good teachers. Tom Hill who taught me how how to clean technically and Ron Toney who showed me how to do it with style. Much thanks to both.
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    Man, the education thing can’t come fast enough.... I’ve got those 6 to do, just picked up 3. Dropping them off @ the shop, got a call to go pick up 7 more.... busy....
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    Are you guys planning to do a class in Calgary? It’s only about 5 hrs from me. You guys need a class in western Canada. The majority of people retire to BC. Either the Okanagan valley, or the west coast. This means that’s were the money is.......
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