"Fake News"?!

[Ed Valentine]

I have been in this Industry as long and probably longer than most (43 years) . And, certainly as a manufacturer and developer of HWE. Using the most modern and updated components possible which will work off common outlets here in the USA, and overseas which will not trip breakers, and thus become a drag on the operator. In other words, build it properly to be the most powerful it can be without going over the edge!

However, when I read comments and promises currently by another manufacturer of portable HWE, has become Fake News for sure. Unfortunately, the unsuspecting but believing "dreamers" (potential purchasers) take this information as gospel and not common sense. The promise of 1200 psi; 4-5-6 vacuum motors (heck, I'm losing count here-lol!) ; plug in to 240 v out lets, .............are you kidding me?!-lol More components does not necessarily equate to better in this situation.

Listen, the truth of the matter is the Operator can not get all this energy and performance from a standard home outlet and, without burning up their switches and machine, or at the very least, the possibility of burning down the home by over-loading circuits, period. What a frigg'in hassle. I'd rather purchase a gasoline TM and be done with it.

Anyways, I highly suggest being aware of this "Fake News" and use some "Common-Sense" instead, and I'll bet that Scott W will agree with me on this one!

Best to all.

 

[hogjowl]

Don’t worry Ed.
99% of us just skip right past portable threads.

 

[Steve Lawrence]

Phony B.S. is everywhere. I agree, Ed. It is helpful to hone your discernment so you can sniff out the Fake News. I read portable threads though, Jowlster because I hate portables so much I want to read about the Fake.

 

[J Scott W]

I do agree with Ed 100%.

Knowing we will all have competition, I am glad for competitors like Ed who speak the truth.

 

[Cleanworks]

The sad reality is that we have only so much power in a home or commercial establishment. There is no 1 portable that can do everything well. Some situations require a single power cord only. Others let you run many. A 1200 psi 2 cord machine is not going to have the same vacuum power as most 2 cord 500 psi machines. By necessity, they have to have smaller motors. Not all 3 stage vac motors are equal. It would help if manufacturers would advertise the actual performance of the machine, instead of quoting the maximum performance of the components. Carpet cleaners also have to educate themselves as well. Recently heard a story of someone who upgraded their pump and couldn't understand why it didn't show on his pressure gauge. Turns out his wand had an excessive jet size. Portable makers should not be comparing their machines to truckmounts. Not the same thing and to get truly close, it would cost the same as an entry level truck mount anyway. Let's have some real truth in advertising.

 

[Mikey P]

Don’t worry Ed.
99% of us just skip right past portable threads.

Or atleast 22%...

 

[FB7777]

Do you still claim 300 CFM in your ads Ed?

This unpaid self promoting yet competition bashing one excluded of course

 

[Bob Savage]

I have been in this Industry as long and probably longer than most (43 years) . And, certainly as a manufacturer and developer of HWE. Using the most modern and updated components possible which will work off common outlets here in the USA, and overseas which will not trip breakers, and thus become a drag on the operator. In other words, build it properly to be the most powerful it can be without going over the edge!

However, when I read comments and promises currently by another manufacturer of portable HWE, has become Fake News for sure. Unfortunately, the unsuspecting but believing "dreamers" (potential purchasers) take this information as gospel and not common sense. The promise of 1200 psi; 4-5-6 vacuum motors (heck, I'm losing count here-lol!) ; plug in to 240 v out lets, .............are you kidding me?!-lol More components does not necessarily equate to better in this situation.

Listen, the truth of the matter is the Operator can not get all this energy and performance from a standard home outlet and, without burning up their switches and machine, or at the very least, the possibility of burning down the home by over-loading circuits, period. What a frigg'in hassle. I'd rather purchase a gasoline TM and be done with it.

Anyways, I highly suggest being aware of this "Fake News" and use some "Common-Sense" instead, and I'll bet that Scott W will agree with me on this one!

Best to all.

I agree Ed, there are too many portables, and ETM's, that say they will "easily" run on 110VAC house current.

In our area it is sometimes difficult to find 20 amp circuits. So, I don't suggest designing a unit that needs 20 amp circuits, nor one that requires 220VAC to operate, in this country.

The most important issue is that the unit will perform as advertised, for long periods of time without annoying failures, and will make the user pleased with it's performance and reliability.

You don't need 4 electric vac motors to go 150 feet, if the unit is designed right in the first place - 2 vac motors will suffice, like your Jaguar. Parallel motors work better - period.

I think you know what you are doing by now, seeing as how you have been at it for a long time.

Keep on truckin'

 

[Mikey P]

I have been in this Industry as long and probably longer than most (43 years) . And, certainly as a manufacturer and developer of HWE. Using the most modern and updated components possible which will work off common outlets here in the USA, and overseas which will not trip breakers, and thus become a drag on the operator. In other words, build it properly to be the most powerful it can be without going over the edge!

However, when I read comments and promises currently by another manufacturer of portable HWE, has become Fake News for sure. Unfortunately, the unsuspecting but believing "dreamers" (potential purchasers) take this information as gospel and not common sense. The promise of 1200 psi; 4-5-6 vacuum motors (heck, I'm losing count here-lol!) ; plug in to 240 v out lets, .............are you kidding me?!-lol More components does not necessarily equate to better in this situation.

Listen, the truth of the matter is the Operator can not get all this energy and performance from a standard home outlet and, without burning up their switches and machine, or at the very least, the possibility of burning down the home by over-loading circuits, period. What a frigg'in hassle. I'd rather purchase a gasoline TM and be done with it.

Anyways, I highly suggest being aware of this "Fake News" and use some "Common-Sense" instead, and I'll bet that Scott W will agree with me on this one!

Best to all.

Ed if you had to buy a Portable, other than yours, to set up a business, which would it be?

and how would you go about cleaning residential carpets...steps taken, chems, additional equipment etc...

 

[SamIam]

Crickets I wouldn’t answer either!


Hahaha

But Ed would say something mighty strong

And not two week!

 

[Ed Valentine]

Fred;

On our web page we indicate specifically what the particular Ametek specifications are for the vacuum motors; lift/cfm/air watts. This offers the potential purchaser information on what vacuum motors are being used for his comparison(s). Further, we listed and indicated that the JAGUAR 8.4 ETM system --in an independent test, taken by Jim Morrow (former GM employee of quality control) -----(note: not ours or our figures) produced 280-285 CFM's. Not 300 as you had commented.

IMHO, this is the best way of doing it and allowing the operator, or arm-chair engineer determine what his results are under his own situation. When ever the manufacturer provides their own testing, it always seems to start an argument, and IMHO, rightly so in many cases.

Mikey;

In regards to your question, my recommendation would have been be one of Terry's, or Bob's machines. IMHO, they didn't just have "one of the most powerful components" but more importantly, the design (which most overlook btw) is more important in ---maintaining---optimum performance. In otherwords, as Lee Stockwell once stated way back in the 90's, "a system is a lot greater than the components" ..........................................(design). Thanks Lee for that statement!

 

[Mikey P]

Well, since neither of those are available to the average Joe, what commercially made unit comes closest to meeting your standards?

 

[FB7777]

Fred;

On our web page we indicate specifically . Further, we listed and indicated that the JAGUAR 8.4 ETM system --in an independent test, taken by Jim Morrow () produced 280-285 CFM's. Not 300 as you had commented.
!

I don't recall ever going on your website, just remember the old Magazine ads you took out in the back pages

They typically has Up To 300CFMs in big print

Like this from Steambrite

 

[Ed Valentine]

Mikey;

Never thought about it only because, naturally, I believe in our current machine(s) as being perfected for a lot of reasons and in terms of optimum performance, etc. Thus from that stand point, I would go with Scott's recommendation as far as blowing away the majority of other brands.

Fred;

That was then; this is now. But, thanks anyways.

 

[Nampa Carpet Cleaning]

Mytee has a new one that is suppose to be a real game changer. They have proprietary vac motors made by Ametek Lamb 225 CFM and 13 HG https://www.mytee.com/products/etm-lx-115/

 

[FB7777]

Wow!

Put 2 of those bad boys in there and you can have up to 450cfms
Time to ditch the Butlers

 

[Cleanworks]

Mytee has a new one that is suppose to be a real game changer. They have proprietary vac motors made by Ametek Lamb 225 CFM and 13 HG https://www.mytee.com/products/etm-lx-115/

So you need to find 2-20 amp circuits, not always easy to do, then you need to add a heater. If you are going to use a generator to run it from your truck, you will be better off with an entry level gas powered truckmount

 

[Mikey P]

Increased performance

Decreased production..

Yup, that's a game changer...

 

[Nampa Carpet Cleaning]

They say 2 of the new LX motors in serious performance like a 370 TM. I haven't tried one but that is what they are saying. I think they take about 13 amps amps each.

 

[Nampa Carpet Cleaning]

 

[Nampa Carpet Cleaning]

 

[Mikey P]

Sure they do..

 

[Cleanworks]

You left out the amperage. Not all 2-stage or 3-stage motors are equal.

 

[Old Coastie]

The bottom line has to do with whether or not it can suck the ass off an elephant.

 

[Bob Savage]

I am using the Ametek switched reluctance vac motors, which are rated for 1500 hours (they do not use brushes), and can clean at 150 feet with no vac booster.

It is a 2 cord machine.

Looks like they have some good motors for ETM's and portables these days.