Hotwater and Encap

[Hack Attack]

Whenever I mix my encap products its with warm water not hot, my reasoning is the chemistry and agitation does the work

Do any of you mix with hot and notice a definite difference?

What about those that use an encap as a prespray through a hydroforce does the heat from the TM negatively affect the polymers?

Or is it a case of different encap polymers react differently to heat?

 

[Desk Jockey]

We mix it hot in fact sometimes out of the Butler convenience hose. However we will reuse the cold mixed product too.

 

[DAT]

I mix it hot all the time.

 

[Hack Attack]

We mix it hot in fact sometimes out of the Butler convenience hose. However we will reuse the cold mixed product too.

Have you noticed a performance difference between hot & cold?

 

[DAT]

For me when i do it hot, it seems to release dirt better for me when i run the CRB or 175. Thermodynamics and kinectic at works.

 

[dealtimeman]

I like when I do it hot, I prefer it hot, and always drop it like it’s hot.

 

[Nomad74]

Hot, like me.

 

[Cleanworks]

"Some like it hot"

 

[GeeeAus]

Mix as hot as I can

 

[encapman]

In the late 1800s, a Swedish physicist named Svante A. Arrhenius, researching the connection between heat and energy, made an important finding that would impact cleaning forever. He discovered that for every 18-degree Fahrenheit (10-degree Celsius) increase in temperature over 118- degrees Fahrenheit (48-degrees Celsius), the amount of molecular energy released is doubled. This means that for every 18-degree Fahrenheit over 118- degrees , the effectiveness of the cleaning process doubles. This is known as the Arrhenius equation.

Speaking for Releasit, our products will still work well with warm or even cold water. But since hotter water will always helps ALL types of cleaning to work more efficiently, it is beneficial to use hot water if it's available. We recommend using bucket heaters to get ripping hot water for encapping. https://www.excellent-supply.com/Professional-Bucket-Heater-1000-Watt_p_511.html

 

[Mikey P]

What would it take to build one into the Cinex tank?

 

[BIG WOOD]

What would it take to build one into the Cinex tank?

Wouldn’t the heater get corroded with cooked residue if it were in the same tank as the encap mix?

 

[Hack Attack]

the encap I use has isopropyl in the mix and definitely smells more when mixed hot

I was thinking if the heat is causing the alcohol to evaporate more what is it doing to the polymers?

 

[Jimmy L]

Oh my! Can't some of you figure it out? It's not rocket science.

 

[BIG WOOD]

Oh my! Can't some of you figure it out? It's not rocket science.

I blame the cause of the confusion on all these soap salesmen. There’s too many products out there,

 

[Mikey P]

Oh my! Can't some of you figure it out? It's not rocket science.

Nope, this retarded grocery bagger gets cornfused easily.

 

[GeeeAus]

To do it well and have it be tidy, durable and safe would take a little finesse.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Arrhenius gets misapplied often.

His postulate is that the speed of a given reaction doubles, not the effectiveness.

 

[Nomad74]

I can’t keep up with you smart guys.

 

[Old Coastie]

I can’t keep up with you smart guys.

You misspelled “smart*sses”.

Anyhow, the bucket heater is stainless and rinses easily. I mix Releasit in hot tap water and raise it to whatever with the bucket heater and don’t worry about it afterwards.

Then again, I don’t waste much time worrying about most things, so the advice is only worth what you paid for it.

 

[dealtimeman]

Lee, would you not agree that if the reaction is faster, one might not be able to clean faster?

 

[Lee Stockwell]

True, very tiny difference.

 

[dealtimeman]

Dang, I was just designing a heat exchange capable of heating the water to 1800 degrees so I could clean a 100 times faster.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Lee, would you not agree that if the reaction is faster, one might not be able to clean faster?

That difference would be more notable in hwe where there is no prespray, just "emulsifiers" in the line.

 

[dealtimeman]

What about 1800 degrees? Is that warm enough?

 

[CJ-FL]

Is release it the most commonly used encap and do you like it?(other than @encapman) What is your process when using it? Pre-Vac., apply with electric sprayer? Agitate, post vac.?

 

[Andy]

In the late 1800s, a Swedish physicist named Svante A. Arrhenius, researching the connection between heat and energy, made an important finding that would impact cleaning forever. He discovered that for every 18-degree Fahrenheit (10-degree Celsius) increase in temperature over 118- degrees Fahrenheit (48-degrees Celsius), the amount of molecular energy released is doubled. This means that for every 18-degree Fahrenheit over 118- degrees , the effectiveness of the cleaning process doubles. This is known as the Arrhenius equation

They used that equation with floor strippers for years untill they realized that by mixing it hot the solvents would evaporate before they had a chance to work. So without changing the formulas they changed the instructions to use cool to warm water. The solvents stayed in dilution and worked better. The other problem with that theory is that the water is being cooled as you are spraying it on the floor and the moment it hits the floor the temperature is drastically reduced nullifying any advantage from temperature. So in answer to the OP question mix cool to warm water.
Ps. I can see that equation working in a pot of boiling water but once the fire is shut off everything is decelarating rapidly.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Is release it the most commonly used encap and do you like it?(other than @encapman) What is your process when using it? Pre-Vac., apply with electric sprayer? Agitate, post vac.?

So far it is my favorite, and would be the gold standard.

 

[Hack Attack]

Oh my! Can't some of you figure it out? It's not rocket science.

its brain science, rockets are in the physics class room

 

[encapman]

It's pretty simple to visualize how the hotter water thing works. Consider that your hands are filthy with grease. Try washing them with really cold water. Now try it with warm tap water. Now try again with hot water. We've all seen that hotter water will clean your hands faster. Same goes for dishes, laundry, etc.

The same rule applies to carpet cleaning. As the temperature increases it's easier to get the cleaning accomplished. True, the water will cool as it contacts the carpet. But I'd rather have the advantage of cleaning with warm, very warm, or even hot water - over cleaning with cold water.

But since we're talking about encap. Temperature is not the biggest slice of the TACT pie. Agitation is the major muscle for encap.