Murphys Oil Soap on Tile

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  1. Spurlington
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    Cleaning lady calls and says she mopped customers tile n grout with Murphys Oil Soap. Im guesssing a degreaser to remove it. What would you guys do? I ususally use the 2790 for all other cleaning. Thanks !!
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    Is that like marvel's mystery oil?
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    2790 is some serious shit.

    I think your playing with fire using it as an everyday cleaner.

    I'm sure it will remove the oil
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    Murphy's isn't anything to get a bulge on for. Pretty mild lubricating cleaner.

    But yes a simple degreaser should serve you well.
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    Customer has emailed stating that this Murphys 710 Soap over time is causing the grout to break (degrade) as well as the tile starting to wear at the edges. Wearing tile sounds impossible. I think theres a soft tile, maybe Duraceramic, with putty like grout. Could that be it and would this MOS be damaging the tile n grout?

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    I just had a friend in a different industry show me a picture of his clients ceramic tile and she told him the ceramic was wearing on the edges. I told him I would have to look at it to make my guestamation on what it was , whether it be dirt or wear. I just find it hard to believe that it's wear.
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    Don't know the percentage but it contains LYE which is corrosive. And it's not really a "Natural" cleaning product and it's NOT a soap but a detergent. Think there is also some alcohol and buytl in it too.
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    I googled MOS ingredients and found this on a discussion board ...




    so, i called colgate/palmolive to figure this out. here are the ingredients (with some explanations to follow): water, potassium tall oil soap, amine oxide, citrus fragrance, potassium hydroxide, HEDTA.


    soap: Sodium or potassium salts of long chain fatty acids. These detergent substances are obtained by boiling natural oils or fats with caustic alkali. Sodium soaps are harder and are used as topical anti-infectives and vehicles in pills and liniments; potassium soaps are soft, used as vehicles for ointments and also as topical antimicrobials.

    tall oil: An oil derived from wood pulp and used in making soaps or lubricants; A by-product of the sulphate pulping of resinous woods, consisting mainly of resin acids and fatty acids, with smaller amounts of neutral substances. (doesn't it seem like a stretch to call this a natural vegetable oil? maybe by strict definition, but it conjures images in my mind of the "gloppity glop" waste that is produced in theLorax.))

    amine oxide is a thickner, foam booster, and a chelating agent (something to do with binding to minerals).

    potassium hydroxide: lye. not sure about this one. lye is used to make soap, but i was under the impression that the lye was used up in the chemical reaction, and thus isn't an ingredient in the finished (e.g. bar) soap. it is a strong alkali.

    citrus fragrance: supposedly a "natural oil," but i didn't ask what. but who knows where it comes from. perhaps it too is a byproduct of some factory process)

    HEDTA: one of those absurdly long named preservatives.

    not nearly as "natural" as the label would have us believe, is it? ack.

    WHY WHY don't cleaners have to have the ingredients on the labels?? grrrr.
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    Another googled response



    I based my content on the following:

    15. REGULATORY INFORMATION

    RCRA (40 CFR 261, Subpart D): Not Applicable.

    CLEAN WATER ACT:
    Contains potassium hydroxide which is a Section 311 material.

    CLEAN AIR ACT:
    Contains ethanol which is a Section 111 material.

    SARA:
    Sections 301-304 (Threshold planning quantity – TPQ)
    40 CFR 355:
    The TPQ for this product is 10,000 lbs.
    Acute health hazard: Irritant

    Section 313 (Toxic chemical release reporting)
    40 CFR 372: The following chemicals must be reported under
    SARA 313: Not Applicable.

    CERCLA:
    Section 102 (Reportable Quantity – RQ)
    40 CFR 302:
    The RQ for this product to the environment is 32,258 lbs. based
    on the presence of potassium hydroxide (3.1%). Releases
    greater than or equal to 32,258 lbs. must be reported to The
    National Response Center (NRC) immediately: 800-424-8802.

    TSCA Section 8(b) INVENTORY STATUS:
    All ingredients in this product are listed on the TSCA Inventory or
    are not required to be listed on the TSCA Inventory.


    NEW JERSEY RIGHT TO KNOW HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE
    LIST:
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide, ethanol

    PENNSYLVANIA HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE LIST:
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide

    MASSACHUSETTS SUBSTANCE LIST:
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide, ethanol

    CALIFORNIA SAFE DRINKING WATER AND TOXIC
    ENFORCEMENT ACT (PROPOSITION 65):
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements: None

    CANADA:
    Workplace Hazardous Materials Information System
    (WHMIS)-listed material.
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide



    This from this Soap and Detergent Association:

    15. REGULATORY INFORMATION

    RCRA (40 CFR 261, Subpart D): Not Applicable.

    CLEAN WATER ACT:
    Contains potassium hydroxide which is a Section 311 material.

    CLEAN AIR ACT:
    Contains ethanol which is a Section 111 material.

    SARA:
    Sections 301-304 (Threshold planning quantity – TPQ)
    40 CFR 355:
    The TPQ for this product is 10,000 lbs.
    Acute health hazard: Irritant

    Section 313 (Toxic chemical release reporting)
    40 CFR 372: The following chemicals must be reported under
    SARA 313: Not Applicable.

    CERCLA:
    Section 102 (Reportable Quantity – RQ)
    40 CFR 302:
    The RQ for this product to the environment is 32,258 lbs. based
    on the presence of potassium hydroxide (3.1%). Releases
    greater than or equal to 32,258 lbs. must be reported to The
    National Response Center (NRC) immediately: 800-424-8802.

    TSCA Section 8(b) INVENTORY STATUS:
    All ingredients in this product are listed on the TSCA Inventory or
    are not required to be listed on the TSCA Inventory.


    NEW JERSEY RIGHT TO KNOW HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE
    LIST:
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide, ethanol

    PENNSYLVANIA HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE LIST:
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide

    MASSACHUSETTS SUBSTANCE LIST:
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide, ethanol

    CALIFORNIA SAFE DRINKING WATER AND TOXIC
    ENFORCEMENT ACT (PROPOSITION 65):
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements: None

    CANADA:
    Workplace Hazardous Materials Information System
    (WHMIS)-listed material.
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide

    15. REGULATORY INFORMATION

    RCRA (40 CFR 261, Subpart D): Not Applicable.

    CLEAN WATER ACT:
    Contains potassium hydroxide which is a Section 311 material.

    CLEAN AIR ACT:
    Contains ethanol which is a Section 111 material.

    SARA:
    Sections 301-304 (Threshold planning quantity – TPQ)
    40 CFR 355:
    The TPQ for this product is 10,000 lbs.
    Acute health hazard: Irritant

    Section 313 (Toxic chemical release reporting)
    40 CFR 372: The following chemicals must be reported under
    SARA 313: Not Applicable.

    CERCLA:
    Section 102 (Reportable Quantity – RQ)
    40 CFR 302:
    The RQ for this product to the environment is 32,258 lbs. based
    on the presence of potassium hydroxide (3.1%). Releases
    greater than or equal to 32,258 lbs. must be reported to The
    National Response Center (NRC) immediately: 800-424-8802.

    TSCA Section 8(b) INVENTORY STATUS:
    All ingredients in this product are listed on the TSCA Inventory or
    are not required to be listed on the TSCA Inventory.


    NEW JERSEY RIGHT TO KNOW HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE
    LIST:
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide, ethanol

    PENNSYLVANIA HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE LIST:
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide

    MASSACHUSETTS SUBSTANCE LIST:
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide, ethanol

    CALIFORNIA SAFE DRINKING WATER AND TOXIC
    ENFORCEMENT ACT (PROPOSITION 65):
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements: None

    CANADA:
    Workplace Hazardous Materials Information System
    (WHMIS)-listed material.
    This product contains the following components
    subject to reporting requirements:
    Potassium hydroxide



    And on this from the Soap and Detergent Association:
    Detergent surfactants were developed in response to a shortage of animal and vegetable fats and oils during World War I and World War II. In addition, a substance that was resistant to hard water was needed to make cleaning more effective. At that time, petroleum was found to be a plentiful source for the manufacture of these surfactants. Today, detergent surfactants are made from a variety of petrochemicals (derived from petroleum) and/or oleochemicals (derived from fats and oils).



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    INGREDIENTS
    • Water
    • Sodium Tallate
    • Fragrance
    • Trisodium MGDA
    • Lauramidopropyldimethylamine
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    That sodium tallate some sort of animal fat?

    Maybe no buytl at all.

    Word on the street is a well known maker of SCAMPOO has LYE in some of his formulations.
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    I used Murphys oil soap in the late 50's working part time after school cleaning floors. Back then it was in 5 gal. containers and was not liquid but in a goo or heavy paste. I would reach in the can and pull out a hand full into the floor bucket. Back then it was made local in Cleveland O. I didn't know why the schools used it but probably because of the cheap price. Murphys said that it was a great wood cleaner with the oils in it. But that was back then,. Now I use it as a pre spray on the carpets so the that the oils allow me another return. HA HA. just fooling . jz
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