Starting out on the cheap

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  1. Hack Attack
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    Yeah it has been tweaked, I think its possibly running larger jets?
    My father bought it 20 or so yrs ago I know something was done to it just not sure what?
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    Probably adjusted the thermostat so it shuts off at a higher temperature.
  3. Hack Attack
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    I thought the thermostat only read incoming temp on LG and doesnt change outgoing?

    I'll have to watch Judsons video again its been awhile, maybe I'm remembering it wrong lol
  4. sOOper hero
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    are you getting a full Military pension?
    (maybe you mentioned it, or maybe I just assumed that?)

    If so, it easy NOT to be aggressive when there's a guaranteed monthly income that covers basic needs .
    It's "easy" to stay in "part time" biz mode ...and it's not necessarily a bad place to be

    I'm not qualified to be anyone's "mentor" (fo-reel) , but am pretty "hard boiled" .
    if you've been dragging around that porty for SEVEN YEARS now and still don't have enough biz to support a TM payment......I have to ask...WHY NOT???

    are you spending too much time cleaning appliances and washing walls in rentals instead of carpet cleaning being the main focus???


    ..L.T.A.
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    Yes to the pension, about three days income if some of these Pinnochios are to be believed.

    Why? Lots of reasons which seem valid but sound like excuses.
    Also, I’m hoping Richard will adopt me, even if he is a little younger. I’m open minded about trivial things like that, eh Uncle Rick?
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  6. steve_64
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    Best move I made was getting the WM. There are guys here with tired machines that they will sell cheap to help you out. You don't have to spend a fortune to step up to something that will make things simpler and better.

    Its a motivator too!
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    Back in the early 90's, a round about friend of the family found out I wanted to try carpet cleaning. He had just got involved with a spin off company of back then the rage of " Chem Dry" it was called " Lazer Chem" it used a 3 different types of cotton bonnets, one had a driver head with 4 brushes that fit through one of the bonnets, this was supposed to flick deep solid sand type debris up and out of the carpet to be caught by the bonnet.

    I just couldn't sell this system, I mean I tried, I mean the carpet came out looking awesome but I lived in the high desert of So Cal and the sand/soil was still visible on some of the more heavily soiled jobs. My Dad and I were working on one and no matter how many passes the soil was just not being taken out.

    At that moment I knew some form of water flushing/extraction was needed. I went down to Riverside area and bought the biggest Tim-buck-too portable the salesman pitched me....I was young and not a lot of money or knowledge. It was better with out a doubt.......
    In less than TWO WEEKS of owning it, I was on the path of trying to hide the fact that it was just a portable unit, knowing full well I was under powered, compared to my competition, even for the TM's back in that day and age. A whole bunch of wasted money on generators, and complete BS trying to keep it all in the van.....and yes I did make it happen, but still nothing could be done about the lack of vac at the end of 100' of hose.

    I look at all the guys posting on the web now, and see the portable setup that they have, and the AMOUNT of work/energy they put out to just do a empty two bedroom unit is mind blowing, and this is why most don't succeed, the pure reality that they just spent all this money....and still have to put so much energy into making 85-150 bucks is just too dam much, and they realize that flipping burgers, or helping folks with household projects working at Home Depot is just much easier and better income for most.

    They say this industry is how many millions a year....but really I think that money is taken at the front door of most janitor supply stores, licking there chops on the poor guys that have no clue, and big dreams.

    On my second venture into carpet cleaning, from the things I learned from the first go a round.... I took the money I had saved went to interlink in Medford Or. and walked passed all the portable stuff and bought the best unit I could....I had 15,000 cash and was able to buy my PC Legend SE had 500 hours on it, and had the shop completely set up my construction Trailer that I had....

    Going from trailer to van, is like going from portable to truck mount, the energy and time saved from trailer to van just made me much more efficient, in getting work done.

    In the two times of starting carpet cleaning biz, I didn't have tons of money, and both times they were a struggle, but having more knowledge the second time around is more than likely why I'm still here today.
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    Great post Tom, thanks for sharing!

    I feel like I wasted my first 13 years in business from 1988-2001 using b a n e machines

    Was even dumb enough to buy a second unit in 1993

    Making excuses for shitty dry times and dirty traffic lanes was our operation

    What a devastating difference quality equipment can make!
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    That 14 ain't showing up any quicker, Mr Nice Guy....
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  10. sOOper hero
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    LOL..if you ran 100ft of hose on a porty, you're a bigger idiot than the morons that swallowed Bill Bane's line
    (at least Bill's equipment was built like a tank)

    ..L.T.A.
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    This business is tough enough without hamstring yourself with low production equipment.
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    Mop Bucket is a janitor......so what the hell does he know?! :winky:

    But he's right.
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    Hell you know

    Tom is wrapping it up as we speak

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    Get um, Fred!
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    You referring to my good looks or well maintained frame?

    Seriously, lots of guys could do what we have done.

    I started back in college working for Service Master. Running a roto and encaping. What extraction we did was with the old dual motor Castex portables. I spent 4 years working the night shift 4 p.m. to 2 a.m Monday - Thursday. I carried a full time class schedule. That gave me my field experience to know I liked it.

    Most guys that are struggling don't have a mentor they are listening to.

    When I got my first pharma sales job I had a partner that was a 3 time presidents council winner. Her name was Sue. I sat down with her the first month I was in the field and ask her what I should do. I did everything she told me to do. Within 5 years I was an Executive Sales Rep and at the highest pay grade. Never won the presidents council award. In my mind the money was the score keeper. Get a mentor that has done it and is doing it.

    3 things that I think guys that are not making the income they want to should do.
    1. Get an assessment from a successful service company owner on how they present them selves and their company. It could be in our industry or another. The basics don't change. My guys are a HVAC owner 49 trucks and a Veterinarian who has 9 veterinarians working for him.
    2. Get a sales / marketing mentor. Then do what they say. Don't pay someone for this that is selling a program most are a crock. Again find an owner that has done it! If someone isn't 3-4 levels above where you are, look elsewhere.
    3. Stop letting yourself off the hook and making excuses. Refer to the first 2 and start to do what successful people are telling you.

    I did everything Sue asked me or told me to do and my promotion track was fast and predictable.

    I believe you could take 10-15 of the guys on this board plop them down any where in America in any economy and they would get it done.
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    Excellent advice Tom.
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    Depends on the porty. I've run 175 feet of 2 inch on my Cleanworks monster and although you can feel the difference compared to 50 ft, I still have more vac power than a standard porty.
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    See why I hate residential. Gets us all fussing and fighting like Willie,Waylon,
    and the boys. Truckmount, portys. Do you use a toilet brush, or a johnnie mop? Flat or string mop, cotton or nylon? Propane or electric buffer, rider or walk behind scrubber? 175 or RX20? Zipper or Cimex? Yes, yes, yes. I have em all. Still trying to make a living after all these years cause I still keep waking up not dead!
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    Active duty Navy when I bought an exsisting Business (had been round 7-years); came with 2003 Chevy 2500 w/Boxer 421 - started out extremely hacky. Slooooowly working our way out of hackdom into reality. Still have yet to clean anything with a portable but feel as tho cleaners that learned up on them are generally better cleaners for it. Blasting thru our 11th year with 3 trucks; 2 of which are exercised daily. Pretty sold on direct drives; love our Butler and CDS. As fer my 2-cents on starting out - I would urge anyone jus starting out to buy a severely used truckmount over a brand new porty; but taking ANY action beats the alternative.
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    Welcome to the wild wild west Udy!
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