The white magic 1200 direct drive. Spill The beans! What do you know about it?

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  1. Matt Wood
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    As I'm surfing the web, I'm seeing several of these for sale, with a decent (not too high, not too low) amount of hours on it, which tells me that they were ok for the current owners.

    I'm seeing two different models: One with a 45 blower and one with, I think, a 56blower. If I find a killer deal on one, which is the best? Or should I just pass on all of them?

    I'm looking for another unit if I need another tm for apartments and big jobs only for the technician to operate, that is in my price range of I don't know yet, so don't bring that up.
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    White Magic was bought by Sapphire. The Sapphire 1200 is the equivelant. The Sapphire 1200SE (Sapphire Engineered)has been tweeked by Sapphire.
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    I remember when sapphire slapped their logo on the original WM 1200 design.

    I’m just wondering how good that model is.
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    White Magic made a very good unit. They went out of business due to an employee embezzling.
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    Sapphire bought rights to that machine, not the company.

    I have the pro 2000 (2 45's)
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    Two blowers on one tm?
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    Yep, works great. 2 waste tanks as well.
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    I heard rumors about that sapphire 1200 having issues and they put on a bigger clutch to handle that 56.

    All hush hush I heard.
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    The new SS has a 4.8
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    I'd like to go from a 6-rib to an 8-rib serpentine drive, and add a larger clutch.

    Then switch the 45's for 47's.
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    I agree Lee!
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    Would you have change the plumbing all the way through?
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    Just wondering how much difference there will be if you don't enlarge the plumbing to match the larger blower.
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    Enlarge the plumbing?
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    The 47 has 3" inlet and outlet, the 45 is 2.5". If the plumbing between the tank and blower and the out the silencer is only 2.5" seems to me your choking the larger blower.
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    I love mine! I have the 56 it's old wore out and I still love it. I like the layout better than my butler too.

    I wouldn't hesitate to get another. It took awhile to get all the leaks and stuff fixed it's an ongoing issue due to age and hours but it's a great machine. Wish I could buy a new one and add a couple tweaks. I'm going to be tweaking the butler too.
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    Mine has 3" except for the silencers. I would use that bit of backpressure for an extra preheater, similar to their "Vulcan" idea.
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    To the waste tank from the blower mine is 4 inch I think. Then 3 to the filter then 2 to the connect.
    Exit is 2.5 I believe but not positive. It may be 3.
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    sounds like an interesting machine, the only info I could find said that both the engine and blowers are derated.

    I wonder could you spin the engine more for extra heat and get the same vac out of 2 45's as 2 derated 47's?

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