Todd V the Trinity

[G Man]

Guess Todd is one mofo you don't mess with.

This is one of the few times on the injurnet someone actually followed through, filed claim, won. Now seeing the cash will be a different story but hey todd actually took action on what he said.

Yep, Todd is a stand up guy. Incredible what he had to endure from John G just to get this far. Some guys don't give in to bullying. Thumbs up to Todd.
Now, like you said, gettin his money is the next step. But they have laws for that to.

 

[Dolly Llama]

Guess Todd is one mofo you don't mess with.

This is one of the few times on the injurnet someone actually followed through, filed claim, won. Now seeing the cash will be a different story but hey todd actually took action on what he said.

the carnival barking moron forced the issue on Todd with the pajama lawyer letter .
Todd countered and smoked his azz

John's "out" is the default judgement .
believe it or not, i think that may have been his strategy all along , cause now he can claim a judge never heard the "evidence" he "supposedly" has .
he'll claim it wasn't worth the cost to go out there over such a small amount .
The handful of gullible rubes that haven't figured him yet will accept that as gospel .

He'll play the Fuller Brush Man hawking his horseshit to the jansan folks, the "in house" com cleaning schmoes and those in the CCing biz that aren't connected to the 'net


..L.T.A.

 

[ruff]

Or like many other 'vendors' may he find a new home and all the love he can handle at RC?
Home of the "dysfunctional" manufacturer-

Just kidding!

Just saying!

Just........Richard made me do it!

 

[bob vawter]

the carnival barking moron forced the issue on Todd with the pajama lawyer letter .
Todd countered and smoked his azz

John's "out" is the default judgement .
believe it or not, i think that may have been his strategy all along , cause now he can claim a judge never heard the "evidence" he "supposedly" has .
he'll claim it wasn't worth the cost to go out there over such a small amount .
The handful of gullible rubes that haven't figured him yet will accept that as gospel .

He'll play the Fuller Brush Man hawking his horseshit to the jansan folks, the "in house" com cleaning schmoes and those in the CCing biz that aren't connected to the 'net


..L.T.A.

Ohhh Ohhh Ohhhhh ...can I be a character witness?

 

[Goomer]

John's "out" is the default judgement .
believe it or not, i think that may have been his strategy all along , cause now he can claim a judge never heard the "evidence" he "supposedly" has .
he'll claim it wasn't worth the cost to go out there over such a small amount .
The handful of gullible rubes that haven't figured him yet will accept that as gospel .


..L.T.A.

He can claim anything he wants to, but we have all just seen PROOF that he changed the terms of an existing warranty, after a sale, in an direct attempt to avoid honoring an existing warranty claim.

Doesn't get any GRIMIER than that.

 

[bob vawter]

i catch John lurking on this thread a LOT........
Gee....talk to us.....
has ya BEEN to the mountain top
have ya seen the Promised Land?

yor mouf is shut tighter
than Larrys sphincter muscle
at the gay tattoo shop!

 

[Connor]

What do you really expect him to say, Bawb, the truth? The slag covered shop project that he tried to pass off as a quality machine tells you what his standards really are. John Geurkink has shown himself to be a not-so-clever, crooked, dare I say Christian. It's really shameful, no other word says it, shameful. The only place for him is the place of wailing and gnashing of teeth. Great job, John, really, you not only show lack of so-called Christian character, but even audaciously named your graven image of your true religion, that religion being an OP carpet cleaner manufacturer, "the Trinity" after THE Trinity.
So, you put a price on your character at a whopping $4500.00, which as most of us expected, was an overcharge.
The only thing I could imagine being much worse would be if you called your diluted Smith chemicals "the Blood of Jesus" or "Holy Water", which is actually just how tacky I imagine you to be.



I'm just kidding.

 

[Nampa Carpet Cleaning]

Since it is all public record. Here is a copy of the Judgment. John, I will be expecting payment immediately.

 

[Derek]

Todd, how much did you have to pay out of pocket for a lawyer etc... ?

 

[Nampa Carpet Cleaning]

Derek, around $600-700. I will still be out money after this is all said and done. Not counting the endless hours I had to put into this case.

 

[Derek]

that stinks...that's a lot of $ for us little guys. why don't these cases automatically have those charges added into the claim? or at least a standard charge of some sort to help offset it.

 

[Nampa Carpet Cleaning]

The craziest thing about this case is that '' chances are " John knew about the defective machines going out and he still tried to blame it all on UPS and ME. Just look at this post on another forum where one of Johns Customers says that his machine has the same defect

 

[Connor]

I guess he thought you were bluffing.

What movie was it where joe Pesci said "eff you, pay me!" ?


Lil Johnny needs ta write a check that can be cashed.


I'm just kidding.

 

[tmiklethun]

I am probably going to get slammed for this. This board seems to be very one sided on this issue. I think there is probably enough fault to go to both sides. I haven't seen it discussed that when Todd returned the machine he disassembled it and packed it in a box. The return information states it has to be returned the same way it was sent out. John has a video of them unpacking the box showing it was packed improperly and damaged so he returned it.

Before you start bitchin me out I am not John friend, don't know him personally. The only reason I know this part is that I was looking at buying a trinity and still may. A week ago I posted about alternative to trinity and patty called me (johns wife) to tell me there side of the story. Do you know that Johns video of the return is the reason he won two credit card disputes on this issue, before it went to small claim court. So the credit card company saw both sides and sided with john, the court didn't see both sides and entered a default judgement against John. Sounds to me like there is probably alot that has not come out and I am guessing there will be an appeal of the decision.

I don't know Todd and I am certainly not saying anything derogatory about him, but if he returned it improperly then John has a valid point. If everything patty told me is a crook of shit that is another story, but it seemed legit. I think there is alot of blame on both sides from what I have seen.

Ok I am ready.....ATTACK

 

[Lefty724]

I think there is a whole lot more than that as well?

I think that most members here (guessing) including myself, think that this whole situation could have been handled a lot better on John's part?

Fraud or not, all John had to do was give the money back, fix the handle, or send Todd a new handle assembly? That would have saved a lot crap imo....

I don't know Todd or John, but because of this thread and the way John handled it, I would never buy or recommend the trinity.....just sayin (lol that was for Mikey!)

 

[tmiklethun]

I think there is a whole lot more than that as well?

I think that most members here (guessing) including myself, think that this whole situation could have been handled a lot better on John's part?

Fraud or not, all John had to do was give the money back, fix the handle, or send Todd a new handle assembly? That would have saved a lot crap imo....

I don't know Todd or John, but because of this thread and the way John handled it, I would never buy or recommend the trinity.....just sayin (lol that was for Mikey!)

From what I was told, and it may be false, they did offer to give the money back until it was returned improperly and additional damage was done. For those of us that don't know either one of them this is a total he said / he said situation and I for one am not willing to hang either guy out to dry for something that I don't know all the facts on.

 

[Connor]

The videos Todd took of the machine before he packaged and sent it back shows teh Trinity to be a lopsided hunk of shinola. Also the screenshot where somebody else confirms it's crookedness and noise proves Todd's point. It would have been easier for John Geurkink to have given a refund and gone back to the drawing board to correct the flawed fit and finish than totally ruin his reputation.
The rewording of the warranty says a lot, too.


I knew it was just a glorified garage prototype when I saw the galvanized fittings.

 

[G Man]

I am probably going to get slammed for this. This board seems to be very one sided on this issue. I think there is probably enough fault to go to both sides. I haven't seen it discussed that when Todd returned the machine he disassembled it and packed it in a box. The return information states it has to be returned the same way it was sent out. John has a video of them unpacking the box showing it was packed improperly and damaged so he returned it.

Before you start bitchin me out I am not John friend, don't know him personally. The only reason I know this part is that I was looking at buying a trinity and still may. A week ago I posted about alternative to trinity and patty called me (johns wife) to tell me there side of the story. Do you know that Johns video of the return is the reason he won two credit card disputes on this issue, before it went to small claim court. So the credit card company saw both sides and sided with john, the court didn't see both sides and entered a default judgement against John. Sounds to me like there is probably alot that has not come out and I am guessing there will be an appeal of the decision.

I don't know Todd and I am certainly not saying anything derogatory about him, but if he returned it improperly then John has a valid point. If everything patty told me is a crook of shit that is another story, but it seemed legit. I think there is alot of blame on both sides from what I have seen.

Ok I am ready.....ATTACK

The unboxing video was a fake. John told UPS that he didn't open it so he could refuse the shipment and not have to pay to ship it back. The credit card company sided with John because John told them Todd had possession of the machine, which was true because John refused the shipment and it went back to Todd. Yes, you were told a "crock". No, there won't be an appeal because John was a "no show" at the court hearing which forfeits his chance to appeal. John didn't show up in court because the Judge would have been able to meticulously go through all of John's lies one by one, which would have been even more embarrassing to John. John is staying off the boards because every lie he would tell would be immediately exposed. Instead he will limit his BS to people like you, a "captive audience", that call him on the phone. I personally know that John lies because he has told lies on me. Todd did everything by the book, including the repackaging. Todd also payed $160.00 of his own money to ship it back. The only thing Todd did wrong was buy a machine from John in the first place.

 

[bob vawter]

hunk of shinola

and if anyone here knows shinola...it's connOr......

 

[Goomer]

What movie was it where joe Pesci said "eff you, pay me!" ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydqjqZ_3oc

 

[Mikey P]

One sided??

Travis I'll assume you are somewhat new to the internet carpet cleaning forums otherwise you would know the history that John has with many here, myself included that goes back well over 10 years.

We've all been through thick and thin together had our ups and downs and back when John owned the hippest cleaning forum at the time we let him call the shots. John was always pretty good about being fair and just and letting those with differences of opinion have their say. Although he was stubborn and goofy, he did not appear to be an idiot.


Many of us here had private conversation with him 6 weeks prior to this incident hitting the news. John promised all his old buddies that once it went to court and we all heard the truth we would be carrying him on our shoulder and holding him up as the next babe Ruth or Jesus H Christ. We all had to agree that John was right and just in his cause because our old buddy would never do something so stupid as letting a few bucks ruin his reputation on the internet that he so desperately needs to run his business.
We stood by waiting for the day the truth would come out. Contracts were signed for him to advertise here. John was a Moderator here prior to this, you know?










and in the end, John is just too broke to pay Todd to go away or John is the stupidest lying motherfoockeing idiot on the planet.

Nobody, NOBODY has that much virtue that he would let his entire livelihood go to pot over the lies and actions of one other man so YOU decide what John really is.







All I know is that I would pay a thousand dollars to make my one bad Yelp review go away. I don't care if she is right or wrong, I just want her and her review to disappear.

John had that chance.



Go ahead and buy your Trinity, I wish you the best of luck, you may want to buy plenty of extra parts as I have serious doubts that he will be in business for much longer.

 

[Shane Deubell]

To me the teachable moment here is Todd for the most part handled this the right way. At some point in your career you too will have a problem with a vendor you found online, the key is follow his example and stay disciplined, collect facts, document everything and be patient . Follow the process...

DON'T follow my recent example {seo scam} and fly off the handle, acting like an idiot. You accomplish nothing....

 

[Connor]

Ol John Geurkink, that's the name.....
……away goes reputation down the drain.


I'm just kidding.

 

[Lefty724]

Again, I had a lot of respect for John G. since I am a fellow rag/diaper spinner. I think he has fought for us VLM guys and has come through with some good stuff?

With that being said, I have always said...these 2 things are going to hurt John G. more than help him.

1. The way he handled this "Todd" situation? As many have said here, it's easier to just make the problem go away IMO....no matter how proud you ARE! There were a ton of better ways to handle this situation.

2. The ATP (sp?) testing? This alone was bad from the get go. To think that a Trinity removes more soil than a Vortex/AT is just crazy!!!!! Remember guys/gals, I am a fellow OP, rag spinner, Vlm guy myself.....but let's just be honest with ourselves here? No way! I think he found a testing tool that would work in his favor, and just ran with it? Bad move......

 

[juniorc82]

All John had to do was get it sent back and give him a new one and sell the old one as a demo or recondition it. Had he did that he might have a cheerleader instead of a critic

 

[G Man]

Again, I had a lot of respect for John G. since I am a fellow rag/diaper spinner. I think he has fought for us VLM guys and has come through with some good stuff?

With that being said, I have always said...these 2 things are going to hurt John G. more than help him.

1. The way he handled this "Todd" situation? As many have said here, it's easier to just make the problem go away IMO....no matter how proud you ARE! There were a ton of better ways to handle this situation.

2. The ATP (sp?) testing? This alone was bad from the get go. To think that a Trinity removes more soil than a Vortex/AT is just crazy!!!!! Remember guys/gals, I am a fellow OP, rag spinner, Vlm guy myself.....but let's just be honest with ourselves here? No way! I think he found a testing tool that would work in his favor, and just ran with it? Bad move......

The "Todd Situation" had less to do about pride and basically everything to do with john's pathological lying and cheating.

I totally agree with you on the soil testing. Me and john had a big round over that scam on US Cleaners forum. I have a video of him performing that test in a home. john had posted the video on youtube and then took it down, but not before I nabbed it first. In the video, his machine that is supposed to out clean everything on the planet, is shown scrubbing a living room carpet with the pad driver, then a scrubbing micro fiber pad, then an absorbent pad. All of that from a machine that is supposed to give lightning fast cleaning times with 1 and 2 passes. LOL. Then to add to the side show, he bends down and gently swabs the very top of the carpet fibers and his little tester gives this great reading. No wonder he took the video down. I could have got those same results with a spray bottle and a swiffer mop, because he just tested the top of the fibers.

john said that the reason he did all of those steps in that living room was because he was running short on time and didn't have time to let the pre spray dwell. LOL! Then he went on to say (and you can read all of this on US Cleaners. http://uscleanersnetwork.com/index.php?topic=6528.0) that he cleaned the rest of the house with one pass cleaning. But the carpet he chose to test was in the living room only, where he spent a huge amount of time scrubbing and scrubbing and mopping and mopping. What a joke!

Just one line of crap after another in order to sell a $1,500.00 machine for $4,300.00.

Here is the video. I did shorten the video because it was long and boring. What I cut out was the cleaning of the rest of the house using pads only. You know, the areas that he didn't test. LOL The captions are mine.



[video=youtube_share;aocVsOqTZyQ]http://youtu.be/aocVsOqTZyQ[/video]

 

[Art Kelley]

Wow. It certainly did a nice job on a very dirty gross carpet. I hope John can survive this internet blitzkrieg. I know he's a dick and a lot of people don't like him but this johnny-piling often occurs on these message boards and takes on a life of it's own. One thing I think we have all learned especially in light the Greenglide vs Harris Research legal battles, a court victory or loss doesn't necessarily have anything to do with right or wrong.

 

[Ken Snow]

It never ceases to amaze me how much time and energy people will put into trashing others.

 

[FB7777]

I dunno Art, I think the " piling on " in this case is simply an illustration of an open and shut case

An example of a bad business man plain and simple, G's silence is deafening

The Green glide / Harris Research case is a bad comparison , I doubt John lost because of Todd's vast financial legal resources

 

[Shane Deubell]

It never ceases to amaze me how much time and energy people will put into trashing others.

This is nothing, i have about 30 pages about me on another forum... Its crazy.

and never sold anything in my life.