Wicking / Browning Help!

[DrUmM@sT3r]

Just a question? I have 2 homes that do this, both of these homes had older, unserviced, bag vacuums & now they use Shark's with clean filters. I'm using a...
1) RotoVac 360i
2) Flex Citrus Slov pretreat
3) Prochem All Fiber Deep Clean rinse.
I see this wicking the next day and use a product by Hilliyard called Double Down (peroxide spray) and rake it in. Any ideas how to prevent this? Ty (The last pic is how it looks right after I clean it - the soil comes up overnight?)

 

[Rick J]

Soil is down in the pad it looks like. Got to get it out.
Does it smell? meaning is it possibly a pet issue.

If you don't want to do a subsurface extraction/flush to get it out , what you are doing may be your best choice. (if the customer is happy/satisfied)
Or maybe try the product you are using when you go back, but use it at the initial clean , when you are finished.
there are prodicts for this, but I think it depends on how much is down there, how wet you left it ect.

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

Soil is down in the pad it looks like. Got to get it out.
Does it smell? meaning is it possibly a pet issue.

If you don't want to do a subsurface extraction/flush to get it out , what you are doing may be your best choice. (if the customer is happy/satisfied)
Or maybe try the product you are using when you go back, but use it at the initial clean , when you are finished.
there are prodicts for this, but I think it depends on how much is down there, how wet you left it ect.

He showed me a small piece of carpet - it has a felt backing - we both determined the soil couldn't get through the backing (it would be filtered) so I'm thinking the soil is sitting right on top of the backing. No odor, has 1 dog but trained, this is dirt / sand...but once I spray & rake it the next day - it looks like new (10 years old & cleaned about 5 times - each time is getting better - less wicking)

 

[Steve Lawrence]

Perhaps it's the felt itself or other backing material like jute that is giving you browning issues. Maybe use a lower pH product instead of Flex, like Procyon. Dry quickly to minimize wicking. Plus, if you are using a rotary extractor have your pressure low, like in the 200-300 psi range.

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

Perhaps it's the felt itself or other backing material like jute that is giving you browning issues. Maybe use a lower pH product instead of Flex, like Procyon. Dry quickly to minimize wicking. Plus, if you are using a rotary extractor have your pressure low, like in the 200-300 psi range.

It's a white bleached backing material - so kind of ruled that out, I could try a lower pH but the carpet was dirty after one year, I'm running the RotoVac at 350psi so I could drop that, and I'm dry vaccing until there is hardly anything coming up the tube. I suppose an air mover might help as well - thx

 

[Rick J]

He showed me a small piece of carpet - it has a felt backing - we both determined the soil couldn't get through the backing (it would be filtered) so I'm thinking the soil is sitting right on top of the backing. No odor, has 1 dog but trained, this is dirt / sand...but once I spray & rake it the next day - it looks like new (10 years old & cleaned about 5 times - each time is getting better - less wicking)

Dry vac the bejabbers(if that is a word !lol) out of it before cleaning may help? Heck if only in a small area use you cuff and go over it a bunch.. I have done that in areas around litterboxes where the cat has over a long time kicked a bunch of clay out. That is horrific if gotten wet!!!

 

[hogjowl]

Do your normal cleaning and go back after it dries an do a vlm/bonnet cleaning.

Charge for the extra trip.

It's not your fault.

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

Dry vac the bejabbers(if that is a word !lol) out of it before cleaning may help? Heck if only in a small area use you cuff and go over it a bunch.. I have done that in areas around litterboxes where the cat has over a long time kicked a bunch of clay out. That is horrific if gotten wet!!!

The owners bought another set of filters for their new Shark - they moved all the funiture and vacuumed before I got there - he said that he washed out the canister and had clean filters installed prior to vacuuming...(frustrating) but they like my work and understand their carpet is soiled....

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

Do your normal cleaning and go back after it dries an do a vlm/bonnet cleaning.

Charge for the extra trip.

It's not your fault.

I ain't got no bonnet? lol - I have them by the spray product and I eat the labor. They let me split the 2700sf into 2 days & pay my asking price...(I get what your saying)

 

[encapman]

You really ought to consider bonnet cleaning. Marty is right. Post-bonnet clean it using Encap-HydrOx. I guarantee that Encap-HydrOx will cut through the browning!

 

[J Scott W]

There has to be either particle soil or some liquid spilled and down in the carpet to cause wicking. Two possible ways to get it out.
#1. Vacuum like crazy to remove as much of the soil as possible. With some carpets you will probably never get all the soil out. If there is nothing down in the carpet then it can't wick to the surface. Vaccum works best if the source is dry soil.
#2 Low moisture encapsulation cleaning, bonnets Brush Pro or whatever method you want to use to apply it. Take that wicked soil off the surface and don't leave enough moisture to start the wicking process over again. Rick has posted some good information on exqctly how to do this.

Simply raking in an encapsulation product like Encapuguard Green following HWE works pretty well most of the time and does not require special equipment (othert than a grooming tool) and does not require a second trip after the carpet is dry.

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

It doesn't really make sense to me to start a whole new method of cleaning just for 2 houses, I would need a brush pro, bonnets, new products, training, etc - thanks but I was looking for a simple fix....

 

[hogjowl]

Of course you were.

 

[BIG WOOD]

What was your Flex Citrus diluted at? I think you might be leaving too much behind. And what's your water pressure set at?

 

[Mikey P]

Get a Royal ya hippie.

 

[BIG WOOD]

I ain't got no bonnet? lol - I have them by the spray product and I eat the labor. They let me split the 2700sf into 2 days & pay my asking price...(I get what your saying)

Are you from California? Saying "I aint got no" is telling me you're from the southeast. Am I wrong?

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

What was your Flex Citrus diluted at? I think you might be leaving too much behind. And what's your water pressure set at?

I mix the Flex @ scoops per 5 qts - (the hydroforce jug) - water pressure was at 350 psi......

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

Of course you were.

Lol - always....

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

Get a Royal ya hippie.

Lmao! A Royal will not pull this Eastern Sierra Sand out of the carpet - Los Angeles has pumped all our water south, I believe this soil will only get worse. There is a place 15 miles north of here, the dirt is like fine sand / silt and when then north winds blow it sand blasts' their paint right off their house's on the north side, so they have to paint the north side of the house every year....(my blower is going to seize up - my Apex is going to lose compression due to scored cylinder walls...........wo is me......... lol

 

[BIG WOOD]

I mix the Flex @ scoops per 5 qts - (the hydroforce jug) - water pressure was at 350 psi......

How many scoops per 5quarts? Was it yellow tip or did you have a dial on it?

Turn up that psi to 500 if you can

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

Are you from California? Saying "I aint got no" is telling me you're from the southeast. Am I wrong?

Chicago born but moved to CA as a kid - I live in "Podunk" California - close to AREA 51.......

 

[BIG WOOD]

Lmao! A Royal will not pull this Eastern Sierra Sand out of the carpet - Los Angeles has pumped all our water south, I believe this soil will only get worse. There is a place 15 miles north of here, the dirt is like fine sand / silt and when then north winds blow it sand blasts' their paint right off their house's on the north side, so they have to paint the north side of the house every year....(my blower is going to seize up - my Apex is going to lose compression due to scored cylinder walls...........wo is me......... lol

Bro that's crazy

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

How many scoops per 5quarts? Was it yellow tip or did you have a dial on it?

Turn up that psi to 500 if you can

8 scoops per 5 quarts and yes a "Yellow Tip" stock hydroforce.......

 

[Bob Pruitt]

thanks but I was looking for a simple fix....

Stick around and dry it out. It shouldn't take very long if you put dryers down as you go. Even if there is dirt under the carpet backing it really shouldn't be a factor if you aren't over wetting. Are you using a portable with the Rotovac? Do you need to use a defoamer? I don't know you so I'm just asking... tried looking for your website in Bishop and didn't find one. Anyway lots of good advice here... dryers and defoamer would be my advice.
You also say they are doing the vacuuming... maybe you should do it yourself to be sure. Hope this helps.

 

[Mikey P]

Lmao! A Royal will not pull this Eastern Sierra Sand out of the carpet - Los Angeles has pumped all our water south, I believe this soil will only get worse. There is a place 15 miles north of here, the dirt is like fine sand / silt and when then north winds blow it sand blasts' their paint right off their house's on the north side, so they have to paint the north side of the house every year....(my blower is going to seize up - my Apex is going to lose compression due to scored cylinder walls...........wo is me......... lol

Speculation


Get a CRB as well..

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

Stick around and dry it out. It shouldn't take very long if you put dryers down as you go. Even if there is dirt under the carpet backing it really shouldn't be a factor if you aren't over wetting. Are you using a portable with the Rotovac? Do you need to use a defoamer? I don't know you so I'm just asking... tried looking for your website in Bishop and didn't find one. Anyway lots of good advice here... dryers and defoamer would be my advice.
You also say they are doing the vacuuming... maybe you should do it yourself to be sure. Hope this helps.

Apex at 350 psi with the RotoVac - adding defoamer prior to cleaning, not over wetting as I'd have all my houses doing this (one would think) - just 2 homes, - I agree putting dryers in the house might stop or slow this down. I will say both houses were really bad and filled my external filter, now that I've got them using a Shark and cleaning the filters it's a lot less wicking & soil in my external filter.

 

[DrUmM@sT3r]

Speculation


Get a CRB as well..

What's a CRB?

 

[Mikey P]

I hope you're coming to Vegas..

 

[BIG WOOD]

8 scoops per 5 quarts and yes a "Yellow Tip" stock hydroforce.......

do 5 to 6 scoops. I think 8scoops is way too much, especially with the water pressure at only 350. That seems like you're leaving too much pre spray behind which is browning after it dried.

 

[SamIam]

How old is the carpet does the yellowing disappear after you treat it and reappear?

I would normally go back and light rinse with all fiber rinse.

If that doesn't works it could be a old stain master and it needs to be treated with citric acid.