BEST POWDERED EMULSIFIER

[Jimmy L]

What have you found to be the best powdered emulsifier?


Since my favorite , Kleenrite PCX is around $170 for 40 pounds I might be looking at cheaper ones to buy.

Since most are 75% STPP are there really any differences?

 

[bob vawter]

Jimney..all emulsifiers have went way up in price...i've found that the Genie Care DElux SuperClean works the best...

bang for the buck!

 

[dantraub]

I was using CTI Promax--had scaling probems even though I use a water softener in my Van (El Diablo Truck Mount by Masterblend--not a "Last step" machine. I also have 40 lbs of BioKleen Fiberglow powder that I should toss-I don't know why I don't, since it was a terrible "clogger."

So, I switched back to Prochem Dry Slurry. Much better. My buddy John La Rue Likes Jusdon O2 liquid--I don't know that that is an emulsifier, though. I find that with pre-scrubbing or even prespaying/raking, , and, in my region, a water softener, the dilution can be pulled way down (I use 8 ounces per 5 gallons and meter 2-3).
Dan

 

[John Watson]

Mr Limpwig, For all the help you have given over this board I truley wish I could help you at this time, But I don't and havent for years run a powder through the machine.



































































For your occasional sarcassam, I felt the neccessity to answer also...

 

[Tim V.]

What is ther difference between an emulsifier and a rinse?

 

[Kevin]

#1 - PCA5
#2 - Clean-it
#3 - RAGE

Greasy Restoraunts #1 hands down Pro Powder 2000

 

[packfancjh]

White lightning or Pro Max are my two choices. The most popular one I sell is Hydra-dri.

 

[RickL]

I have had great results (only used it a few times) with CTI's Efficent Extract.
But I haven't experimented much with Emulsifiers. Like this one a lot though.

 

[Shawn Forsythe]

What is the difference between an emulsifier and a rinse?

For the purposes of this discussion,....

An Emulsifier is a cleaning agent. Most often it refers to the cleaning agent that is run through the machine.

However, a rinse product, while also running through the machine does not have a primary purpose to clean, but to rinse the cleaning agent, applied as a preconditioner or prespray.

People often erroneously refer to their cleaning agent emulsifier as a "rinse", since the feel that since it is the last step, it IS their rinse. However, to be clear, it is only rinse if it's purpose is not to clean.

A rinse formulation usually contains a specialty surfactant whose purpose is to couple the cleaning surfactant of the prespray to the water, while leaving a relatively innocuous residue that will hopefully not contribute to resoiling. The Rinse product will also usually contain an organic acid to correct the fiber pH to more favorable range, either neutral or slightly acidic.

 

[bob vawter]

I forget what you sED Shawn...what was the residual effect left by the Genie Care DeLuxe SuperClean......?

 

[Shawn Forsythe]

Notwithstanding amateur adulteration with home-brew additives, by virtue of the fact that Deluxe Superclean has a relatively low level of surfactant, the residue is fairly dry and non-resoiling.

 

[bob vawter]

....i BELIEVE yor words were....."almost non-existent"???

 

[Desk Jockey]

We went from Dry Slurry to Heat Wave and recently to Axiom Clean Powder detergent.

It works great for what we clean, but we don't do restaurants, apartments, or chit holes!

 

[joey895]

I prefer dry slurry mixed at about half of the recommended dilution.

I keep axiom on the truck for cleaning clean carpet or if there is any chemical concern.

 

[Shawn Forsythe]

....i BELIEVE yor words were....."almost non-existent"???

Alright, I can see that. But as I recall, Lisa indicated that you had a propensity to add "boosters" that would nullify such a conclusion in your case.

 

[bob vawter]

"propensity"


I TAUGHT YOU THAT WORD!!!!

 

[Jimmy L]

So Shawn if my Kleenrite PCX cost $170 and Dry Slurry is at $148 does that mean the PCX is a better quality product, more surfactant etc?

 

[bob vawter]

My DEluxe SuperClean is about $88.00/ 38 lb pail!

 

[Greenie]

Propensity?
Bawb adds nasty stuff that screws up any potential gain of a low resudue product...problem is SuperDLX doesn't clean well enough on it's own, so it's kind of a moot point.

 

[bob vawter]

HEY..don you have an envelope.......to stuff?
PS:
I want yor signature on it..so's i kin put yor fi dollar on my wall, wit the rest of the rubes!

now wheres that pesky DAnny at......i gots HIM the best!

 

[Loren Egland]

When I use a powder through my truck mount, it is Steam Way Formula A. I also sometimes use liquids.

 

[Shawn Forsythe]

Propensity?
Bawb adds nasty stuff that screws up any potential gain of a low resudue product...problem is SuperDLX doesn't clean well enough on it's own, so it's kind of a moot point.

be gentle with Bawb. His arm is aching. But yes, he has his Ghetto mixture which is probably a very high residual of soil attracting residue.

 

[Shawn Forsythe]

So Shawn if my Kleenrite PCX cost $170 and Dry Slurry is at $148 does that mean the PCX is a better quality product, more surfactant etc?

Just MORE surfactant does not necessarily make a product better, per se. I would take a product with a superior surfactant blend than simply more surfactant, any day. Moreover, the surfactant component is but one of six principle mechanisms a powdered emulsifier uses to create cleaning effectiveness.

1. Detergency/Emulsification
2. Deflocculation,Peptization, Suspension, and Antiredeposition (related as a group)
3. Buffering
4. Sequestration
5. Chemical reaction, i.e. bleaching
6. Solvency and coupling

IMO, Dry Slurry and PCX are fairly comparable. PCX excels at certain soils, while Dry Slurry others. I think the end user who does a meticulous comparison is probably right whichever product he chooses out of the two. However, PCX is a little rougher on elastomer seals, if your system is such that it might be sensitive in this regard. As well, the aromatic co-solvents that PCX uses can be inhalation offensive to some users, me included.

 

[ruff]

Dry Slurry
Soap Free
and Fiber Plus for delicate fibers and wool.
They all work well.

Then I have special products for certain needs, Green Cleaning, Scent Free etc.

In my experience, almost all of the major brands work quite well. Mostly the differences are negligible. Unless of course you do a twelve step cleaning like we all do!
Cheers
Ofer

 

[glenboy]

hey bawb why am i paying over a hundo for dlx sprkln is tom over at modern----- ripin me off

 

[bob vawter]

Tom let me buy a pallet full BEFORE the prices went up....i'm afraid ta ask now......i remember when they were 60 bucks!

 

[dantraub]

Hey Shawn,
I find Prochem Olefin Deep Clean to be an xclent all-purpose rinse.
Dan

 

[Pmatte]

Re: Hey Dan T.

Dan,send the Biokleen to me if you plan on throwing it away.Throw it my way.
Patrick

 

[Jimmy L]

I believe the PC olefin deep clean is a prespray?

 

[Dolly Llama]

I believe the PC olefin deep clean is a prespray?

and one the few PC chems I don't think is all that good

..L.T.A.