Black Death and Live Reels

[Dale]

Hi Guys:

Some hose reels have too small of a hub, IE: 4". Because of this bending at too sharp a radius black death comes soon to the beginning of the hose. I buy 150' hoses for these reels. Has anyone tried to cut out the first 50' and add a section? If so, how much time did you get out of the other 100'?

Thx,
Dale

 

[Steve Lawrence]

The only hose that's ever had black death on my Butler's is Goodyear Neptune. Eagle Wash or Parflex have not done it at all.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Steve's right we quit using Goodyear and don't have an issue anymore.

 

[Dale]

Hi Guys:

Yes, black death comes when core cracks and leaks onto the steel braids, so when there's no steel...

However, I use Neptune for a reason in my location, I buy my son's vans new hose. Then after 6 months switch the ends. So for 6 months we have no problem. I'm just wondering if anybody has studies if it's worth the cost to cut off the first part, and re-crimp ends on.

Sincerely,
Dale

 

[daniel@procarpet]

Dale I have been using the same steel braid hose from interlink for 2.5 years with no problems. I also don't run my hose live. Wrapping it up creates to much strain on the hose. That and the heat will cause it to fail on the reel. I have a 100' line followed by 50 footers off the the reel. 100' will cover you for most jobs, but you could also do 125 and just pull it off and hook it up. That takes every bit of one minute. You will have better pressure and heat. I keep 350 feet of line on my reel actually. First section is 100', then a 50 footer, followed by another 100' section with a ball valve, and then followed by 50 footers. Sometimes we use one hose for cleaning and the other set for pre-spraying. The protector that interlink has on their hose is the best. Of course if you see signs of failure near the wand or actually have a failure (I have not had any issue) then you can get a few inches cut off and re-crimped.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

We run an improved single wire blue hose with a slightly smaller OD than neptune in 100' sections on hand-held reels.

If needed NAPA can put new ends on for about $6 each that are as good as the original.

FREEZING will also hasten "black death" as will extended hot operation while still wound tight on the reel.

 

[Art Kelley]

. I'm just wondering if anybody has studies if it's worth the cost to cut off the first part, and re-crimp ends on.

Sincerely,
Dale

I always crimp a blown hose. They last another year. For the $10 it costs, why not? I keep a 50 foot generic Goodyear hose on my live reel I pull to the customer's door. I hand wrap the nice Parker Parflex I use in the house. These Parflex lines are great to use and haven't needed repairing or crimping in the 5 years I've been using them. Much better and lighter than the steelbraided ones I used for 25 years. Steel braided lines are cheaper to buy so appeal to the brokedickiness in all of us, but become dangerous (and thus useless in a house) and have to be replaced annually.

 

[Ron Werner]

I don't have a live reel, but I've been tucking the ends under a bungy cord rather than connecting all the hoses on the reel. It totally relieves the strain on the ends

 

[steve frasier]

I took my hose off the hose reels, couldn't see the point of cooking the 200' of hose that is on a live reel when you are cleaning carpet

to me it is much easier to hand roll up/unroll the sections of hose

 

[Larry Cobb]

Hi Guys:

Some hose reels have too small of a hub, IE: 4". Because of this bending at too sharp a radius black death comes soon to the beginning of the hose. I buy 150' hoses for these reels. Has anyone tried to cut out the first 50' and add a section? If so, how much time did you get out of the other 100'?
Thx,
Dale

Dale;

That 4" reel manufacturer needs some education on hose life.

The deterioration is a function of heat when hose is left coiled on the reel.

We have cut the 1st 50' ft. off of long hoses, with pretty good remaining life.

Larry

 

[Able 1]

Last 100' of Goodyear Neptune lasted me two years on my live reel, though the Peak doesn't get crazy hot.. With the reel mounted to the top of my TM I can't think of anything more efficient as far as set up.

 

[daniel@procarpet]

Last 100' of Goodyear Neptune lasted me two years on my live reel, though the Peak doesn't get crazy hot.. With the reel mounted to the top of my TM I can't think of anything more efficient as far as set up.

I wanted to do that but the EVEREST sits too high.

 

[floorguy]

box truck !gotcha! !gotcha! !gotcha! !gotcha!

 

[Loren Egland]

I always used 50 foot sections, but the last time I ordered from Windtrax I got one section 110 feet long. I love it. Many times I would have to hook up 150 feet because 100 foot of hose was not enough. No couplers and just the right length for most of my jobs. I replace when the black death comes.

 

[steve g]

will someone put a permanent sticky thread at the top of the board saying GOODYEAR HOSE IS SHIT AND CAUSES BLACK DEATH, IF YOU USE PARAFLEX YOU WILL NEVER HAVE BLACK DEATH OR EVEN A CATATROPHIC FAILURE plus it lasts like 5 times longer. I can't believe the number of people that read this board and continue to buy goodyear or metal braid hose.

 

[floorguy]

its good for right off the truck.....

other wise i use the paraflex....its pretty good...

 

[Loren Egland]

I run hotter temps than most and I also use 3/8 inch hose. I understand that the wire braided hose handles higher temperatures and heat spikes better. It also doesn't coil up.

Anybody use 3/8 inch parflex with a high temp truck mount? Cost? Windtrax is a little over a dollar a foot for 3/8 inch neptune.

 

[Ron Werner]

do they even make a 3/8" Parflex?

 

[Steve in Omaha]

will someone put a permanent sticky thread at the top of the board saying GOODYEAR HOSE IS SHIT AND CAUSES BLACK DEATH, IF YOU USE PARAFLEX YOU WILL NEVER HAVE BLACK DEATH OR EVEN A CATATROPHIC FAILURE plus it lasts like 5 times longer. I can't believe the number of people that read this board and continue to buy goodyear or metal braid hose.

Ditto!!!!! Not to mention the fact that the Goodyear gets very hot to the touch and can put a "heat line" on unprotected wood flooring and or poly. However, I would urge all my competition to use it with reckless abandon.

 

[Loren Egland]

Always cover hard floors to protect them from heat lines, scratching, chemical and water damage and tracking off wet carpet.

 

[John Buxton]

I need to replace my pressure hose and my disty uses the grey I guess Goodyear? Does anyone know the number of the parflex 1/4 inch hose so I can start pricing it?

Thanks.

 

[Scott Rogers]

I need to replace my pressure hose and my disty uses the grey I guess Goodyear? Does anyone know the number of the parflex 1/4 inch hose so I can start pricing it?

Thanks.

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