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Dolly Llama
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the jets are too low
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Shane T
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I was wondering the same thing. Is that hose clamp going to hold up to 500psi? The angle looks nice.Erik said:
Desk Jockey
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Piss poor design, if you don't maintain proper technique you're going to make corn rows in the carpet. Way too low and that hose will pop with a little heat and pressure.
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Re: Bristor's High shear jet kit
That looks like my WP14 kit.
manifold is for another wand.
the correct manifiold has supply tube entering on the other side from the the top with an 1/8 Foster QD.
patent pending arc adjustment retains focus.
it's been received well.
Larry, Doc, is RDM too low?
That looks like my WP14 kit.
manifold is for another wand.
the correct manifiold has supply tube entering on the other side from the the top with an 1/8 Foster QD.
patent pending arc adjustment retains focus.
it's been received well.
Larry, Doc, is RDM too low?
Desk Jockey
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So it doesn't corn row? It just looks like if you don't keep it at the right angle it would.
Not a problem early in the day but as you get tired one when you're have to make sure you held it correctly.
The RDM is moving circular and rotating, I would think it wouldn't be as likely to streak because the number of rotations and the movement of the head. ???
Not a problem early in the day but as you get tired one when you're have to make sure you held it correctly.
The RDM is moving circular and rotating, I would think it wouldn't be as likely to streak because the number of rotations and the movement of the head. ???
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Re: Bristor's high sheer jet kit
Sure it could corn row, any water delivery system could.
But adjusted right and jets not clogged it should clean beautifully.
Who's wand is that anyway?
Why don't you ask the owner what he thinks?
I've definitely heard people say stuff like 'piss poor design' when they first see it but
give it time, I bet it grows on you.
I've only had one high shear kit returned - a PCQ - and the guy told me it's only because they put the kit on their WP14s and they like it so much better that the PCQ just sit in the shop.
Sure it could corn row, any water delivery system could.
But adjusted right and jets not clogged it should clean beautifully.
Who's wand is that anyway?
Why don't you ask the owner what he thinks?
I've definitely heard people say stuff like 'piss poor design' when they first see it but
give it time, I bet it grows on you.
I've only had one high shear kit returned - a PCQ - and the guy told me it's only because they put the kit on their WP14s and they like it so much better that the PCQ just sit in the shop.
Desk Jockey
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"Piss Poor Design" wasn't a personal attack, just an observation on what I feel will happen as tech's get tired with jets that close to the carpet.
However I believe you if you say it won't.
:roll:
Actually I believe you or you would have more returned for that reason.
However I believe you if you say it won't.
:roll:
Actually I believe you or you would have more returned for that reason.
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I think we're seeing a mass exodus away from skinny tube, narrow head, overweight wands... thanks to pioneering work of guys like Greenie.
It'll just take more guys doing direct side-by-side comparisons.
Like the guy above, once he got both wands side-by-side with everything the same, jet angles & distances, glide, flow, and heat, it was a no brainer, go with the lightest and widest.
10 bucks says this guy will be going to either PMFs new Titanium or Mytee's new carbon fiber as soon as his techs hear about it and he can afford it.
It'll just take more guys doing direct side-by-side comparisons.
Like the guy above, once he got both wands side-by-side with everything the same, jet angles & distances, glide, flow, and heat, it was a no brainer, go with the lightest and widest.
10 bucks says this guy will be going to either PMFs new Titanium or Mytee's new carbon fiber as soon as his techs hear about it and he can afford it.
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Re: Bristor's high shear kit
I'm not making a Ti wand if that's what you're asking.
I am gonna make high shear for PC Ti but we're 2 months away at least.
PMF Ti - my high shear is done in 5-jet but it would be best to wait for new mounting bracket if you want max possible more range in shear (20 to ~ 70 degrees). I'm making a 6-jet manifold now and PMF did agree to move their stud plate out a little to accommodate it but we're 1-2 months out. We'll have better glides for sure. I asked PMF to redesign their fat lip ss glide with a narrower opening and it would help if others asked for it as well. I hope we'll see somebody make a good Teflon internal fit. so a couples of months for everything in small quantities.
I heard Rob Allen may make a Ti wand but I have no details.
I got carbon fiber in high shear too... just waiting for next batch of spraybars to cool off.
these wands are the real sleeper imo. anybody make a glide for it?
this place is too addictive. I haven't done jack all morning. See ya.
I'm not making a Ti wand if that's what you're asking.
I am gonna make high shear for PC Ti but we're 2 months away at least.
PMF Ti - my high shear is done in 5-jet but it would be best to wait for new mounting bracket if you want max possible more range in shear (20 to ~ 70 degrees). I'm making a 6-jet manifold now and PMF did agree to move their stud plate out a little to accommodate it but we're 1-2 months out. We'll have better glides for sure. I asked PMF to redesign their fat lip ss glide with a narrower opening and it would help if others asked for it as well. I hope we'll see somebody make a good Teflon internal fit. so a couples of months for everything in small quantities.
I heard Rob Allen may make a Ti wand but I have no details.
I got carbon fiber in high shear too... just waiting for next batch of spraybars to cool off.
these wands are the real sleeper imo. anybody make a glide for it?
this place is too addictive. I haven't done jack all morning. See ya.
Mikey P
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god told me to never believe a single word out of Rob's mouf.
I suggest Joe takes the same advice.
Dolly Llama
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Re: Bristor's High shear jet kit
different animal, Joe
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Joe Bristor said:
different animal, Joe
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Sheet Larry, both approximate a sheet of water.
What wands do your techs use now?
If I make high shear kits for them, I'll send them no charge. If your guys prefer them then you gotta buy me a plane ticket to your nearest airport so we can SH together this next Fall.
Deal?
What wands do your techs use now?
If I make high shear kits for them, I'll send them no charge. If your guys prefer them then you gotta buy me a plane ticket to your nearest airport so we can SH together this next Fall.
Deal?
Dolly Llama
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the Pa steel run the Fall, Joe
Ohio steel are running now!!!
and you know you're welcome anytime out my way.
we've used a Ti for the last 6-8(?) years
we're experimenting with another wand right now.
the problem with the very low jets, isn't really a problem "as long as" the wand remains at the correct angle all the time.
The RDM doesn't have those peculiarities due to it being the one the floor the same with every operator
wanding styles differ, as do operator's hights.
On a very thick pile, very low jets can drag.
Lean the wand down just a bit to reach a little further under a piece of furniture, bed, etc and jets are in the pile
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like I say, next fall.
"wanding styles differ, as do operator's hights." that's why you want a custom length wand. Of course you need people who stick around and use them.
"On a very thick pile, very low jets can drag." that's why you want adjustible jets and maifolds.
"Lean the wand down just a bit to reach a little further under a piece of furniture, bed, etc and jets are in the pile"
right, and the wand slot would be up in the air. thay's why Mytee made a swivel, only problem, hard to get used to.
Most guys I know prefer a straight wand to get under stuff.
So what wand are you experimenting with there Larry?
"wanding styles differ, as do operator's hights." that's why you want a custom length wand. Of course you need people who stick around and use them.
"On a very thick pile, very low jets can drag." that's why you want adjustible jets and maifolds.
"Lean the wand down just a bit to reach a little further under a piece of furniture, bed, etc and jets are in the pile"
right, and the wand slot would be up in the air. thay's why Mytee made a swivel, only problem, hard to get used to.
Most guys I know prefer a straight wand to get under stuff.
So what wand are you experimenting with there Larry?
Hi Joe B. Very glad you're hanging out here now.
Why do you need a 20 degree angle? What does it offer over a 45 degree angle that hits the bottom of the glide? With high flow wands, lots of water is rinsing better. You don't need to "blast" the dirt off the fiber like years ago, especially if you use a good PS and aggitate. That makes a difference, doesn't it?
Why do you need a 20 degree angle? What does it offer over a 45 degree angle that hits the bottom of the glide? With high flow wands, lots of water is rinsing better. You don't need to "blast" the dirt off the fiber like years ago, especially if you use a good PS and aggitate. That makes a difference, doesn't it?
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Re: Bristor's high shear kit
Obviously, ALL you mention can make a difference Lance, as can degree of shear.
Ultra high shear, <45 degrees is just one more tool in the box.
I didn't mean to imply it's better or worse, rather it's now possible.
In fact it's ALL I have to offer with the new PMF Ti as it was delivered to me.
But nice even flow from a variety of angles - that's my goal for this and a bunch of wands.
PC Ti is next. many have been done awhile now. I just start small & cheap so parts don't last long, so mistakes aren't so expensive ya know?
In short time we'll have a wider range of shear than before as mentoned above.
Progress.
From what I'm hearing, ultra shear is pretty cool - for low pile - in some peoples' opinion.
Blasting straight down is cool - in deep & dirty pile - in some peoples' opinion.
that's all it is - opinion. Right?
Options :arrow: new opinions :arrow: new decisions :arrow: new & hopefully better results.
Gettin away from fixed jet placement is just another step - in the right direction - imo.
I hope you try it then come back and report yours.
OK Lance?
Do I know you?
PS I'll be offering edge blasting with the flip of a lever in future projects.
Obviously, ALL you mention can make a difference Lance, as can degree of shear.
Ultra high shear, <45 degrees is just one more tool in the box.
I didn't mean to imply it's better or worse, rather it's now possible.
In fact it's ALL I have to offer with the new PMF Ti as it was delivered to me.
But nice even flow from a variety of angles - that's my goal for this and a bunch of wands.
PC Ti is next. many have been done awhile now. I just start small & cheap so parts don't last long, so mistakes aren't so expensive ya know?
In short time we'll have a wider range of shear than before as mentoned above.
Progress.
From what I'm hearing, ultra shear is pretty cool - for low pile - in some peoples' opinion.
Blasting straight down is cool - in deep & dirty pile - in some peoples' opinion.
that's all it is - opinion. Right?
Options :arrow: new opinions :arrow: new decisions :arrow: new & hopefully better results.
Gettin away from fixed jet placement is just another step - in the right direction - imo.
I hope you try it then come back and report yours.
OK Lance?
Do I know you?
PS I'll be offering edge blasting with the flip of a lever in future projects.
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Why doesn't Joe have a website?
I could use a some of his goods...
I could use a some of his goods...
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That's too easy. Just call him, he won't bite your head off, and you might learn something, or even make a future friend.
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Re: Bristor's high shear kit
Very good idea - both port and starboard I hope.
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Very good idea - both port and starboard I hope.
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yup, that's left & right.
So no matter where you enter a room, whether you clean clockwise or counterclockwise just pick a wall and flip the lever.
Since all the high shear manifolds are symmetric it will be a straightforward conversion.
It's an idea that hit me late, so my initial manifolds aren't so equipped.
I will however swap them out for you at no charge, once done.
You'll only be out the cost of the lever, plumbing and high flow jets, about $20 for each side.
They should pay for themselves first job you hit lots of hair or filtration soil.
Now we'll be able to independently increase secondary agitation (water force) and thus clean port & starboard as Bob says.
Denver used "the TWO mile city", so don't underestimate the power of water. Iseeru
Of course that was several hundred million years ago.
So don't forget to keep the Quickie brush in your back pocket (or as Don 'Duck' Culvey calls it, the 'butt' brush)
since there's no substitute for primary (mechanical) agitation. Ivebeensold
So no matter where you enter a room, whether you clean clockwise or counterclockwise just pick a wall and flip the lever.
Since all the high shear manifolds are symmetric it will be a straightforward conversion.
It's an idea that hit me late, so my initial manifolds aren't so equipped.
I will however swap them out for you at no charge, once done.
You'll only be out the cost of the lever, plumbing and high flow jets, about $20 for each side.
They should pay for themselves first job you hit lots of hair or filtration soil.
Now we'll be able to independently increase secondary agitation (water force) and thus clean port & starboard as Bob says.
Denver used "the TWO mile city", so don't underestimate the power of water. Iseeru
Of course that was several hundred million years ago.
So don't forget to keep the Quickie brush in your back pocket (or as Don 'Duck' Culvey calls it, the 'butt' brush)
since there's no substitute for primary (mechanical) agitation. Ivebeensold
