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Dolly Llama

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had a theft out of my drive 2 nights ago.

The bastards cut the catalytic converters off my mini-van.
They also helped themselves to my tool box and a case of energy pops that were in the van

Yesterday I installed one of those driveway alert thinges as a quick system for intruder warning.
(a wireless Chamberlain model)
Extra remote sensors are are $50 each.
I'm not sure I want to buy more of them until I research a bit

I'm looking for an affordable quality system that will warn "me" of snakes during the middle of the night, but not "them".
I don't want to chase them away with loud blaring alarms
'cause I REALLY want to introduce myself to them....

this is the second cat converter I've had stolen in the last 2-3(?) years.
I suspect it's the same perps.

did i mention I REALLY REALLY want to meet them?

..L.T.A.
 

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Watch it there, Charlie Bronson. A murder trial would negatively effect your busy spring season. Crooks this brazen will get caught by the cops.
 
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Remington 12 guage auto; Works for me; Last guy is still in a coma; lol
 

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I worry about my CRV everyday because the converter is so easy to get to.


These are different times for sure.
 

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RCTPKS said:
How much time does that take?

What about a big dog that likes to eat nuts?

Sounds like a fast operation:

"CHICAGO — Jose Fernandez said he decided some time ago that on his salary as a restaurant worker, he was better off without his 1996 Toyota 4Runner. He hoped to make a nice bit of cash from its sale.
A thief can sell a stolen catalytic converter to a scrap yard for a couple of hundred dollars. The honeycomb filter inside contains platinum traces.
Before he could do that, though, someone beat him to extracting value: A thief sneaked under the sport utility vehicle with a battery-powered saw, slicing from the Toyota’s underbelly what may be one of the most expensive small parts of the auto world: the catalytic converter, an essential emissions-control device made with small amounts of metals more precious than gold. Who knew? Mr. Fernandez didn’t.

Inside the lobby of the New Windy City Mufflers and Brakes shop, Mr. Fernandez said he had heard a rumor that catalytic converters had suddenly become the rage on the black market here, but he did not believe it until his went missing on a well-lighted North Side street.

Theft of scrap metals like copper and aluminum has been common here and across the country for years, fueled by rising construction costs and the building boom in China. But now thieves have found an easy payday from the upper echelon of the periodic table. It seems there may not be an easier place to score some platinum than under the hood of a car.

“This morning I woke up and walked out, turned the key and there was a noise like this,” Mr. Fernandez said, grumbling the trainlike roar that cars make when they are missing their converters. “And now to fix it, I don’t want to spend the money because it’s really expensive.”

The price of gold recently hit record highs, crossing the $1,000-an-ounce mark before retreating a bit. Less well publicized has been the fate of the even-more-rarefied metals platinum, palladium and rhodium, with platinum hitting recent record highs of more than $2,300 an ounce. People who may have thought their lives had nothing to do with the booming commodities market are finding out the hard way where their connection is — in their car’s exhaust system.

The catalytic converter is made with trace amounts of platinum, palladium and rhodium, which speed chemical reactions and help clean emissions at very high temperatures. Selling stolen converters to scrap yards or recyclers, a thief can net a couple of hundred dollars apiece.

Exactly how much depends on the size of the car and its converter. But even a little bit is worth a lot. Converter thefts are the quickie crime du jour, not only in Chicago, where workers in auto body shops and other experts say it is increasingly a nuisance, but anywhere cars are, which is to say basically everywhere.

“These are definitely occurring more than they have in recent memory, and why that is is definitely tied to the price of precious metals within converters,” said Frank Scafidi, spokesman for the National Insurance Crime Bureau.

Replacement converters usually start around $450. “When you start getting into the larger S.U.V.’s, it’s $1,000-plus,” said Don Tommasone, owner of Village Automotive, a car care center just outside the city. “The larger the catalytic, the more platinum. That’s the ones they’re stealing. It’s also easier to crawl underneath them. They don’t need to jack up the vehicle, they just saw it right off.”

This month in Memphis, 140 children were stuck at their day care center after thieves stole the catalytic converters from the center’s two vans. Recently in Columbus, Ohio, 25 cars in one parking lot were vandalized for their catalytic converters. And several states are working on legislation to make it harder to resell what up to now was a part little known outside the world of auto enthusiasts and mechanics.

Because stealing a converter does not involve actually breaking into a car, it often goes undetected. Alarms and other precautions, like parking in a well-lighted area, are scant defenses.

Last year in Minnesota, someone broke into the Ramsey Police Department’s impound lot and took 19 catalytic converters off the vehicles there, a spokeswoman said. The Star Tribune in Minneapolis ran this headline about the break-in: “Thieves Show How Low They’ll Go.”

Jim Lyon lives opposite a police station in the Chicago suburb of Westmont, and can see his Jeep Cherokee from his window. Still, someone got him. “They’ll probably get 150 bucks for two minutes’ work. Not bad!” Mr. Lyon said. “As soon as I realized there was precious metal inside, I knew what they were looking for.”

Legs sticking out from under a car were a tip-off this year for the Chicago police, who said they spotted a man in the Lakeview neighborhood just before he slithered from under the car and discarded a power saw along the curb. The man and three accomplices were charged with burglary and possession of burglary tools.

“When will this stop?” wondered Chris McGoey, an auto theft expert. “When they’re not worth anything any more.""
 

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Art Kelley said:
Watch it there, Charlie Bronson. A murder trial would negatively effect your busy spring season. .

Thanks, Art
I'm a little more disciplined than that, though.
I have absolutely no intentions of shooting a thief that's no immediate serious physical threat to me or loved ones.

I thought a game of BASEBALL would be more appropriate
Guess who the batter would be..........


..L.T.A.
 

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RCTPKS said:
How much time does that take?

donno, Rich.
But I could probably crawl under a vehicle and cut'n run in matter of minutes with a cordless sawsall


RCTPKS said:
What about a big dog that likes to eat nuts?

I gave that some thought, but to be truly effective, he'd have to be an outside dog and I just don't want to put a dog on a chain

..L.T.A.
 
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That sucks,I dont know about those type Larry,but I am sure somebody has something to that affect.Was it your full size van?Damn CC cost a small fortune,Or am I just getting screwed here?(one of the toughest air quality states)
 

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I have a 54 lb lab that can hear a pin drop at 100 yards. She barks and wakes us up if any noise in the yard. Someone was trying to steal my downriggers off of my boat and all the barking and me turning the lights on scared them away or me walking around the house in my underwere with a lite and a shiny pistol and the dog on a leash yelling get um.
PS You slept thru a swazall cutting pipe.
 

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Should pass this information to the local businesses around here. We have had a lost of places broken into.
 

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Sawsall may be a little quicker but a chain pipe cutter would be stealthy, I have used them many times changing rusted out exhaust on diesel box trucks!!!
 
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Batter up!

Would just love to read the story of some of these guys getting caught in the act by someone like meAt. Some serious bad karma raining down on them! Can't believe the salvage yards don't require a thumb print??????
 

Dolly Llama

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I made a temporary fix with flex pipe til my garage gets an estimate together for my ins co

pipes are cut too clean and straight to be a sawsall.
Looks just like a copper pipe looks when cut with a tube cutter.

i think Ascrubabove's thought may be right on


"Just remember, don't bring a knife to a gun fight."

Thanks Lyman.
Momma didn't raise no fools....

i suspect they're teenagers that live in the area.
Pros (or seasoned thieves) wouldn't be wasting time on converters right not.
The bottom fell out of the scrap market some time ago.
They won't get $15 for a converter now
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still looking for info/guidance on security sensors


..L.T.A.
 

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Get a monkey, saw through a 2x12 with a sawzall, then touch the monkey with the blade. It'll burn the piss out of the monkey, the monkey will HATE sawzalls forever. ( I suggest you wear one of those suits they wear when training police dogs while conditioning the monkey). Anytime in the future the monkey hears a sawzall, he'll chew through the front door to get to the poor bastard. Monkey's almost ALWAYS seem to chew peoples nuts off when they go postal. Can you imagine one minute lying on your back, cutting away, dreaming about the crack you'll be buying with the newly lifted converter, the next, the horror of being dragged from underneath a minivan by your noogies by a rabid chimp?
 

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Ever since I had my trailor & truckmount stolen off my driveway I installed sensors around my property perimeter that alert me to where the intrusion is. I got them from radio shack & they work great. Tough times mean more crime & it is really happening now and sure to get worse. Recently had 2 guys with bandanas over their face in my back yard at my bedroom window at 4pm but my wife scared the crap out of them & they fled without any gun fire. After that some dumb ass actually tried to kick in my front door but it didn't work. Tough times mean desperate people & ammo is getting harder to find.
 

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