Do you hot wire your van/slide in?

Mikey P

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I was using the Lunchpail the other night for about an hour and my van battery died. Warning/hazard and cab lights did it in.

I"m going to run a 4g wire from one battery to the other to keep it from happening again.





I complained to Les about this so he is going to give me my money back.
Now that's what I'd call great customer service. It was 11pm his time and he was so upset that I had to wait for a tow truck to get a jump start he sent me a check for 17 grand the next day.


Now it was about two weeks ago (again, late at night) when I called York to complain about the paint on my back step peeling off and some dude named Gary answered the phone and told me to get lost. :shock:
 
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Yea, I kill the battery on the Econoline all the time. Power inverter and dome light.

I pull out the jumpers and use the Thermalwave battery to start the van.

It takes about a minute and works everytime! But, your TM has to use larger than a lawnmower battery in order for this to work.
 
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Mikey P said:
It has a full sized battery.


I'd be careful not to burn out your stator and/or voltage regulator. Maybe Les can go into more detail about it. It's a expensive lesson I learned the hard way. I burned out my stator and voltage regulator at the same time. From what I was told by the lawnmower dude, is that the stator gererates AC current and the voltage reg converts it to DC current to charge the battery. Better safe then sorry. !gotcha!
 

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I just leave my van running all the time. I guess if you have to worry about someone stealing the van, that might be an issue.
 

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Because of the reversed polarity in the southern hemisphere, we doesn't have no bat flattery problems.

Because of this, our batteries are always fully charged with no negative response.

Because of this, we are also able to incur high charges for our work to our clients.

Because of this, sometimes they are left feeling flat after we depart.




Of course you could always run a two battery system, which is the norm for guys that do a lot of bush bashin' :wink: :wink:


Also, as Mardi & some others view us as being down under & on a slope, we can always clutch start our vehicles, either in third gear or reverse, depending on which way the slope is. :wink: :lol:

The above does not apply for those with auto trannies. :(


Ooroo,

!gotcha!
 

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You don't have a set of jumper cables?

How are you s'posed to be a knight in shining armor to some damsel in distress without a set of cables?

But yea....that whole wiring in series thing is probably a good idea, i would call it slaving the batteries, something in my brain housing group from the military.
 

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Buy a better battery for your truck. That shouldn't happen. The price of a good battery is tops 120-150 buy the best you can and you won't have any problems. I live in a cold weather region and do not have any battery problems since I bought a good batteries for the trucks
 

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What you need is a deep cycle battery to run your inverter off of first. It is designed to provide its power over a longer period and have its charge drawn down repeatedly without damage. Next get and install a battery isolator. This will allow you to have a two battery setup and have the alternator recharge your second battery with no risk of drawing down your primary vehicle battery. Auto batteries are designed to give a high charge over a short interval. Repeatedly drawing their charge down too low will shorten their life.
 

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I've had that happen over the years, and here is how I solved the problem.

My slide-in truckmount has it's own 12V car size battery, and of course the van has a 12V battery.

I ran a welder's size cable wire from the van battery (+ only), to the truckmount frame. On the frame I have a heavy duty fuse block that can handle the amperage a starter draws when starting a car. The fuse block has two opposing terminals, which connect when the fuse is inserted.

The truckmount battery is grounded (-) to the van chassis, just like the van battery.

At the fuse block are the + wire from the van battery, and on the opposite end of the fuse block, is the + wire from the truckmount battery.

If either battery fails for any reason, you connect the fuse itself so the two + leads are connected.

Start either the van, or the machine.

Once started, disconnect the fuse and carry on.

The van alternator, or the slide-in alternator, will then take over and recharge the battery.
 

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Actually, I haven't paid much attention to a "2 batt. system"

With the isolator, what would you need to know and look out for so that one batt. could be the truckmount batt. and one could be the vehicle batt. so that EITHER one was charging both when running etc...?
 

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Mike if you are running that exhaust fan with the TM then you might need to bump the alternator. There is a high capacity alternator avalable for that engine. No need for a deep cycle battery unless you are using DC power while the TM is off.
 

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Dont leave the batteries permanently tied together unless you use an isolator. If you do, the weaker one will pull the charge from the stronger one, there will be alot of back and forth and you will kill both batts in no time.
 

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Greenie said:
Actually, I haven't paid much attention to a "2 batt. system"

With the isolator, what would you need to know and look out for so that one batt. could be the truckmount batt. and one could be the vehicle batt. so that EITHER one was charging both when running etc...?


It is my understanding that when a full charge is reached on the 2nd battery that the charging circuit will open. But don't take that as gospel. I have not used one with my tm but on a different setup that I had a an inverter running off of the 2nd battery.
 

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The obvious question on Bob's solution is: What happens if the tech leaves the fuse in? Could easily happen 2 years down the road when the prior period of instruction was a little fuzzy.
 

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Greenie said:
The obvious question on Bob's solution is: What happens if the tech leaves the fuse in? Could easily happen 2 years down the road when the prior period of instruction was a little fuzzy.


I have had a wire with a manual switch between the van and slide in for about 20 years.
Many many times I have forgotten to throw the switch to off when done with it.
I've never had a problem with either charging system.
 

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Bob Savage gave the best and safest fix in his post above.

Thanks,
Lee

You don't subscribe to theory of KISS. Buy a better battery
 

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was using the Lunchpail the other night for about an hour and my van battery died. Warning/hazard and cab lights did it in.

I don't understand why you need to have all those lights on anyway :?:
 
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Glad I can give ya some useful info here in the clean room.....

The following is from the link at the bottom. It spells it out better than I can...

Battery Switches
Old–school OFF–1–2–BOTH battery switch: Most single engine boats built in the last 30 years are equipped with two nearly identical (and undersized) marine batteries, used interchangeably for starting or house loads. Prior to starting the engine, the operator would turn the OFF–1–2–BOTH battery switch to the BOTH position to have both batteries' full cranking power. With the engine now running, the switch would stay in the BOTH setting, and both batteries would be charged while powering to the day’s destination. Once the engine was turned off (while anchored or under sail) the operator would (in theory) return the switch to the 1 or 2 position, and reserve a battery for starting. When it was time to crank the engine again, the battery switch would be turned to BOTH, or possibly to the reserve battery, and the engine would be started.

The problem is that this requires a lot of thought by the operator, who is trying to relax in the first place. Inevitably, the operator (or the operator’s Brother in Law) may leave the switch in the BOTH position, resulting in a very dead battery. Statistically, dead batteries are one of the most common reasons for calling a towing service. "I can’t crank my engine!"is right up there with "I’m out of gas!" for ruining a day on the water

Dual Circuit Plus™: A simpler alternative to isolate your Start and House circuits is available in the Dual Circuit Plus Battery Switch (Model 7808801) . In the ON position, it keeps your batteries isolated, so both can't be fully discharged by accident. In the COMBINE position, it parallels your batteries in the event of a low Starting battery. Used with the BatteryLink ACR, it automatically combines or isolates your batteries when in the ON position.

The most affordable way to purchase the Dual Circuit Plus switch and SI7610 ACR is to buy a kit that includes both, the “Add–a–Battery” Dual Circuit System, Model 8646275.

Charge Management
Battery Isolators used to be the best method of distributing charging current to multiple battery banks while assuring that they remain electrically isolated during discharge. These devices are electrical "one–way check valves" that allow current to flow to, but not from, the battery. Their disadvantage is that diodes cause a voltage drop that wastes charging energy, creates heat and causes batteries to be undercharged. Alternators with external voltage sensing can correct for the undercharging problem, but voltage drop and the heat generated remain a problem.
Automatic Charging Relays (ACR) are becoming a popular method for achieving the same goal as isolators, but they work on a different principle. Instead of using diodes to block current from flowing in both directions, ACRs use mechanical relays combined with a circuit that senses when a charging source is being applied to either battery. When a charge is being applied, the ACR closes; and when the circuit senses that the charge is no longer present, the ACR opens (after a short time delay to assure that the ACR doesn’t open due to temporary voltage sags caused by load startups, like a refrigerator turning on).

Automatic Charging Relays have lots of other uses in addition to isolating the Start and House batteries, and Blue Sea Systems now produces two relays for two kinds of jobs:

* CL7600 Current Limiting: Great for automatically charging a remote battery for a windlass or bow thruster, for combining or isolating two banks on a smaller outboard, I/O or inboard. Connect it to your high–powered stereo to prevent the subwoofer system from draining the House bank. Handles 60 continuous amps. User–adjustable open and close voltage settings, for 12V systems. Includes Current Limiting feature.
* SI7610 Starting Isolation: Designed for isolating a larger House battery, and rated for 120 continuous amps. Allows temporary isolation of house loads from engine circuit during engine cranking to protect sensitive electronics. Waterproof rated IP67. 12/24V systems.
* ACRs can be used for load shedding, pilot house navigation battery isolation, and charge current limiting for a remote battery. See http://www.bluesea.com for detailed technical papers.

Conclusion
Adding another battery is a good idea if you want to add a powerful stereo subwoofer system, cabin lighting, electric windlass, wakeboard ballast pump or any of the other electrical and electronic accessories we all want. The installation can be as simple as connecting two batteries in parallel to make one larger battery bank. You can build in redundancy and failure protection with two battery banks, battery switches and charge management devices like ACRs. That way, when you drop anchor and use all your new gadgets, your engine will still start at the end of the day.
Remember that you must match battery chemistries between your banks. If your starting battery is of the lead–acid type, stick to a deep cycle battery of the same chemistry, instead of choosing a gel or AGM battery with different charging requirements.




http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wc...r/10001/-1/10001/Batteries-Second-Battery.htm
 

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here some red neck solutions i'm supprised les did not fill ya in

1 shut your driver and pass doors and disconnect the little button on your side door
that keeps your inside light on or put a piece of duck tape on it


2 keep a jump pack in the van

3 do'nt work after dark

I think these are some common sense solutions to your problems #3 being most sensible
lets take a poll

ps buy a goverment motors corp van and the dam dome lights go out automatically
 

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handdi said:
here some red neck solutions i'm supprised les did not fill ya in

1 shut your driver and pass doors and disconnect the little button on your side door
that keeps your inside light on or put a piece of duck tape on it


2 keep a jump pack in the van

3 do'nt work after dark

I think these are some common sense solutions to your problems #3 being most sensible
lets take a poll


My Chevy has a dome override switch and they go of automatically after a certin amount of time so they don't run the battery down :mrgreen:
 

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Same battery?? shiteatinggrin
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Buy some good LED lanterns that run on 4AA batteries. You will get hundreds of hours out of the batteries. Much cheaper than replacing your van battery. Wait if you paid $100 the battery in the Lunchpail van you would be spending twice as much to repair it as you paid for it....

Why are there only Ford products in that picture above? Was that Mayberry?


Put LED lights in your van and they will not drain your battery. The new LED bulb (I know they aren't really bulbs) draw about 2% of the power that a regular bulb draws---You heard me 2%.

In cycling the LED lights have completely changed our ability to ride at night.

Rick
 

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I don't work at night...






I had a fun evening...got to see this little girl pop out....

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Baby Chloe...step-daughters' newest addition
 

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