Dynachem Reduceall and STPP Powder

[Johnny]

Cleaned two white Hatian cotton sofas in a beach house a while back. Ten feet from a sea wall. High humidity brown-out nightmare. Tried everything and Cobb's was the only stuff that worked. I've been back to clean the carpet a few times since, and the sofas still look good. I followed Larry's instructions, but I'm getting old, and don't remember how I did it. I have a white Hatian cotton sectional to do next week.

HEY LAR! Tell us about these two products and how to use them.

 

[Cleanworks]

Try using a Haitian cotton shampoo. it has the reducer built in.

 

[Johnny]

Try using a Haitian cotton shampoo. it has the reducer built in.

Didn't work on this job, possibly due to high humidity. Would brown out within a few minutes. Tried CTI's Natural Fiber Cleaner rinse and CTI's liquid Browning Treatment.

 

[Cleanworks]

were you steam cleaning or shampooing?

 

[Johnny]

Didn't work on this job.

were you steam cleaning or shampooing?

Truckmount.

 

[Cleanworks]

I use Prochem's fine fabric cotton shampoo with a soft brush or mitt. I have had the same problems using a portable or tm, no matter what product I use. Make sure it is the shampoo and not the detergent.

 

[Johnny]

I use Prochem's fine fabric cotton shampoo with a soft brush or mitt. I have had the same problems using a portable or tm, no matter what product I use. Make sure it is the shampoo and not the detergent.

Thanks. I've used Prochem's shampoo but prefer to rinse the fabric when possible. Might try it again.

 

[Johnny]

I've successfuly used CTI's Natural Fiber Cleaner on many other jobs. I used it to correct browning on an old, white, nylon Berber at the beach.

Also works well as a prespray to brighten wool. (Thanks, Dan!)

 

[Cleanworks]

One product I had some success with was Steamway's Cotton/wool cleaner and their Formula D. The Cotton/Wool was a neutral ph detergent and the Formula D a souring agent. I would mix the 2 together for both the prespray and the rinse. Had to vacuum a lot to leave it as dry as possible but never browned anything out with it. Unfortunatley, we lost our Steamway distributor here years ago.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Johnny; Thanks for the report on it's effectiveness. Any pictures ?
No carpet product manufacturer that I am aware of, has a product like ReduceAll.
It was developed to remove color bleeding, and urine browning from high value rugs.
1. For Haitian Cotton Prespray - Mix 1/2 oz. of ReduceAll +1/2 oz of STPP in 1 gal. HOT water.
2. Spray with sprayer until fabric is evenly wet.
3. Allow 10 minutes dwell time and extract with detergent.
Enjoy the results.
Everybody that cleans Rugs should use this product !

CleanFax video I did on Color Removal with ReduceAll :


http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index...ult&search_in_description=1&keyword=reduceall

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Sulphur dioxide?

 

[Larry Cobb]

No . . .

But a more effective Reducing agent,

that doesn't yellow natural fibers . . .

 

[Johnny]

Johnny; Thanks for the report on it's effectiveness.
No carpet product manufacturer that I am aware of, has a product like ReduceAll.
It was developed to remove color bleeding, and urine browning from high value rugs.
1. For Haitian Cotton Prespray - Mix 1/2 oz. of ReduceAll +1/2 oz of STPP in 1 gal. HOT water.
2. Spray with sprayer until fabric is evenly wet.
3. Allow 10 minutes dwell time and extract.

Enjoy the results.

CleanFax video I did on Color Removal with ReduceAll :


http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index...ult&search_in_description=1&keyword=reduceall

Johnny; Thanks for the report on it's effectiveness.
No carpet product manufacturer that I am aware of, has a product like ReduceAll.
It was developed to remove color bleeding, and urine browning from high value rugs.
1. For Haitian Cotton Prespray - Mix 1/2 oz. of ReduceAll +1/2 oz of STPP in 1 gal. HOT water.
2. Spray with sprayer until fabric is evenly wet.
3. Allow 10 minutes dwell time and extract with detergent.

Enjoy the results.

CleanFax video I did on Color Removal with ReduceAll :


http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index...ult&search_in_description=1&keyword=reduceall

Rinse with Reduceall? What dilution through a truckmount?

 

[Larry Cobb]

Prespray with the ReduceAll + STPP to brighten the fabric.

Spray Dynachem neutral detergent for additional cleaning.

Rinse with water.

 

[kmdineen]

What is the difference between Reduce All powder and Fiberbrite powder?

 

[Larry Cobb]

ReduceAll is a much stronger Reducing agent.

It can remove Dye Bleeding,

Yellow Stains from Urine,

and Whiten Fringes . . .

 

[sweendogg]

Sodium Hydrosulphite?

 

[Larry Cobb]

Sodium Hydrosulphite?

No, this is a stronger new Reducer, that doesn't leave the wool yellow after use.

Also brightens the original colors better.

Got several good color bleeding removal reports at Vegas.

http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index...3977e59308432a8ddc7fff15741&keyword=reduceall

 

[Larry Cobb]

Color bleeding was on woven wool rugs.

 

[Goomer]

Hey Larry, what's the state of STPP in the the cleaning industry in light of it's history as a very popular compound of consumer products who's use was curbed by the Govt. due to it's environmental effects.

I find it difficult to find the real stuff locally as most are STPP substitutes.

Is it's use regulated differently in different states?

Do you offer it?

 

[Tom Forsythe]

Phosphate regulations are directed at laundry detergent and automatic dishwashing detergent. The regulation of these uses significantly reduced phosphates in the water supply. For example, I probably do 150 loads of dishes a year and 200 loads of laundry a year. I extract my carpet one time a year and encapsulate my carpet 2 to 3 times a year. The encapsulation does not use phosphates while my extraction cleaning does use some phosphate in the pre-spray at 1 to 32 dilution and more phosphate in the rinse at a 1 to 640 dilution. 350 loads versus 2 products with phosphate also at a high dilution used once a year. You can see why our industry is not regulated for phosphate.

 

[Goomer]

Phosphate regulations are directed at laundry detergent and automatic dishwashing detergent. The regulation of these uses significantly reduced phosphates in the water supply. For example, I probably do 150 loads of dishes a year and 200 loads of laundry a year. I extract my carpet one time a year and encapsulate my carpet 2 to 3 times a year. The encapsulation does not use phosphates while my extraction cleaning does use some phosphate in the pre-spray at 1 to 32 dilution and more phosphate in the rinse at a 1 to 640 dilution. 350 loads versus 2 products with phosphate also at a high dilution used once a year. You can see why our industry is not regulated for phosphate.

Makes sense...Thanks.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Hey Larry, what's the state of STPP in the the cleaning industry in light of it's history as a very popular compound of consumer products who's use was curbed by the Govt. due to it's environmental effects.

I find it difficult to find the real stuff locally as most are STPP substitutes.

Is it's use regulated differently in different states?

Do you offer it?

We do offer it as an effective builder in some of our products.

It offers impressive suspending for different types of soil.

It is an extremely "green" product !

 

[Tom Forsythe]

Green in the sense that it is a fertilizer and that it assists the growth of green plants. In the past there was too much phosphate in water streams that caused algae to grow resulting in problems for the air supply of fish. Phosphate limitations in laundry and automatic dishwashing formulas significantly reduced the amount of phosphate in most bodies of water. Runoff of fertilizer during floods can still be problematic in localized areas. EPA DfE will not approve it in any product. It is not on the EPA Safer Chemical ingredient list. In my opinion all "green" programs need to be evaluated based on EPA DfE standards. I do not call any ingredient green unless it meets EPA DfE standards. It is safe as it can be used as a food preservative, moderate in pH, works well in high dilutions and emits no VOC. However, most customers want a safe product first and a green product second.

 

[Larry Cobb]

I do not call any ingredient green unless it meets EPA DfE standards.
It is safe as it can be used as a food preservative, moderate in pH, works well in high dilutions and emits no VOC.

Enough said