empowered water

[green guy]

What do you all know about zero rez. Is their water turned into an alkaline? What kind of rig do they use?

 

[Fred Homan]

Sounds like an advertising gimic.....

 

[Shawn Forsythe]

Their patent covers the use of a product series named Primacide B, which is essentially a Sodium Hydroxide & water solution produced by salt water hydrolysis. Another component of the hydrolysis (Primacide A) is oxidative (Hypochlorous Acid (HOCl) , and therefore used to impart it's qualities in the cleaning process.

The patented nature is the use of this to clean textiles, and certain other mediums, and of course, carpet.

The "magic" is simply the scientific shroud they use to market the process, along with a specialized Vortex unit.

http://www.eau-x.com/eau_technology/page1.html
EAU is their parent company, using the hydrolysis products in other avenues of marketing besides carpet cleaning.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Have you seen the system work Shawn?

How does it work in comparison to Deionized water, "detergent free products", the Chem Dry process, etc?

 

[bonesheal]

They're giving up the big trucks in my area, and another area that I'm aware of.

 

[Shawn Forsythe]

Jim,

No, I have not seen the process being demonstrated. They are pretty darn emphatic that they do not use "chemicals" in their cleaning process, which is at best, very deceptive. I would only infer that they do not use any additional chemicals during "the process", but i do not put it past them to use presprays and spotters, which i sure they would find a way to rationalize as being "not chemical" as defined by the bulk of their cleaning method.

As such, for the sake of discussion, let's say the entire cleaning process is limited (chemically) to the Primacide induced "Empowered Water". They also have quite a bit of the cleaning-pie at their disposal to manage a fair bit of cleaning with. Modern Vortex units are no stranger to heat and volume. As well, they have quite a bit of extraction power to manage a very thorough flushing of fibers. Sodium Hydroxide is a fairly strong cleaning agent. it would not take too terribly much concentration, along with high heat, some bleaching ability of the Hypochlorous Acid , and good extraction force to create a decent clean for a fair amount of cleaning situations along with the . However, I do still think that they must be introducing some additional pre-treatment and spotters not covered by their marketing presentation. As well, I am curious as to how they pass CRI muster. It must have something to do with how they measure pH as an aggregate mixture of the two cleaning agents (Primacide A & B), instead of individually.

But really, I am speculating, as I am only really familiar with the makeup of the primacide cleaning agents (Empowered Water itself)

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Thanks Shawn.

The ability of their system to remove "SOA" soil is not surprising. I would agree that real world soil and stains would have to require some more chemistry than they'd want to admit to using.

 

[Fred Homan]

It all sounds like BULLSHIT!! Gimics.....

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Fred, you have a way of coming right to the point of the matter, don't you?

 

[Fred Homan]

Yessss Thank you Jim....

 

[Mikey P]

They'll be buying some Powerclean 59s if they don't go belly up.


spending WAY too much on advertising.

 

[The Great Oz]

At least in our area, they use the same detergents to clean carpet that everyone else does. Of course they advertise that those other cleaners that don't use their system are killing their customers... :roll:

 

[Mike Draper]

Their patent covers the use of a product series named Primacide B, which is essentially a Sodium Hydroxide & water solution produced by salt water hydrolysis. Another component of the hydrolysis (Primacide A) is oxidative (Hypochlorous Acid (HOCl) , and therefore used to impart it's qualities in the cleaning process.

The patented nature is the use of this to clean textiles, and certain other mediums, and of course, carpet.

The "magic" is simply the scientific shroud they use to market the process, along with a specialized Vortex unit.

http://www.eau-x.com/eau_technology/page1.html
EAU is their parent company, using the hydrolysis products in other avenues of marketing besides carpet cleaning.

Took the words right out of my mouth!

 

[Josh Adler]

I have seen them clean..they use prespray and spotters....couldnt figure out what it was in the bottles

 

[rick imby]

Why do so many of these companies have to try to BS the customer.

When your Unique Selling Proposition is a lie and your employees know it how honest do you expect them to be?

Rick

 

[GeneMiller]

I guess I could get my pastor to bless the water, now that would be truly empowered water.

gene

 

[Larry Cobb]

You guys need to take some lessons from ZeroRez.

1. At the CRI testing lab, their combo of a "non-residue" cleaner and their TM achieved one of the highest scores produced up to that time.

2. Their motto is "Zero-Residue", and they do try hard to achieve that.
(IMO only Dave Gill with RO water rinse is comparable)

3. Of course, they use spotters to combat all the various spots that cleaners run into.

4. They do maintain respectable price levels for a good job.

So ....
what are you guys bitching about.

Larry

P.S. The "electrolysed" water is used in many USDA establishments for killing microorganisms without the toxicity of other products.

 

[steve g]

larry, the problem is all of us know these guys are just venturi retreads, lieing and hyping their process is what they have always done. forgive us if that is met with skepticism

 

[Kevin De Medeiros]

Why do so many of these companies have to try to BS the customer.

When your Unique Selling Proposition is a lie and your employees know it how honest do you expect them to be?

Rick

Gim
Gimmicks sell. There is another company who totally knocked of the same idea and just rebranded it. But eventually the customer sees through all the bullshit and realizes there paying more for nothing.

 

[Russ T.]

When a carpet cleaning company has convinced people that only they have this magical water, and that's the most important thing in the process, they WIN.

Their main biz is marketing. They do THAT well.

Combat them and their unbelievable amount of radio advertising with EDUCATION.

TEACH and show your customers why YOU are better than Zerorez (and anyone else in your market).

That's a tall order if YOU don't believe it yourself.

Become better.

You'll start to believe it and you'll be empowered to make your valuable customers believe it!

 

[Kevin De Medeiros]

When a carpet cleaning company has convinced people that only they have this magical water, and that's the most important thing in the process, they WIN.

Their main biz is marketing. They do THAT well.

Combat them and their unbelievable amount of radio advertising with EDUCATION.

TEACH and show your customers why YOU are better than Zerorez (and anyone else in your market).

That's a tall order if YOU don't believe it yourself.

Become better.

You'll start to believe it and you'll be empowered to make your valuable customers believe it!

I couldn't agree with u more. Educating the client, being professional towards the client and being consistent with your process and communication with client are also key.

 

[BIG WOOD]

This is a far fetched question, so this is the best place to ask.

Could we Empower our water with a very small dilution of Sodium Hydroxide in our rinse? If so, how much would be suggested to mix in at the lowest setting?

 

[Kevin De Medeiros]

This is a far fetched question, so this is the best place to ask.

Could we Empower our water with a very small dilution of Sodium Hydroxide in our rinse? If so, how much would be suggested to mix in at the lowest setting?

I'd get a water softener and keep doing what u are doing.

 

[BIG WOOD]

I'd get a water softener and keep doing what u are doing.

But that doesn't answer my question.

 

[FB19087]

This is a far fetched question, so this is the best place to ask.

Could we Empower our water with a very small dilution of Sodium Hydroxide in our rinse? If so, how much would be suggested to mix in at the lowest setting?

@Shawn Forsythe

 

[BIG WOOD]

Here's what wikipedia thinks about using it safely:
Food preparation

Food uses of sodium hydroxide include washing or chemical peeling of fruits and vegetables, chocolate and cocoa processing, caramel coloring production, poultry scalding, soft drink processing, and thickening ice cream. Olives are often soaked in sodium hydroxide solution before baking to make them crisp. Owing to the difficulty in obtaining food grade sodium hydroxide in small quantities for home use, sodium Carbonate is often used in place of sodium hydroxide.

So if it's not smart to mess with sodium hydroxide... Sodium Carbonate can be used instead, which is also used as a water softener

My next question would be, how much to use and is there a product from our suppliers that's readily available for us to use?

 

[dgardner]

I had never really read up on empowered water, It's actually pretty simple. Salt water has an electric current passed through it (electrolyzed). Hydrogen and Sodium ions are drawn toward the negative side, creating sodium hydroxide. In my (non-chemist) mind this seems identical to adding sodium hydroxide to water. Maybe Shawn can elaborate.

Interesting reading from the company that makes the empowered water generators:

http://www.eautechnologies.com/technology/primacide-b.html

http://www.eautechnologies.com/assets/docs/media/magic-water-good-fruit-grower.pdf

 

[Cleanworks]

so, are these generators on the trucks, they look pretty big, or are they in a plant and fill up the trucks everyday.

 

[Old Coastie]

Would this be a good moment to mention that I have a well-used Rug Doctor for sale?

It needs a little tlc...

 

[Jimmy L]

Another name for "Lye"

Just put a small amount of ammonia in your chem jug. BAM! residue free cleaning!