FW1 racing formula Is it any good? car wax

lance

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It's just a cleaner with lube and wax in it. Nothing special.

How much is your van vinyled? If it is fully wrapped all you need is to keep it clean. You can use a bucket of warm water and some terry cloth towels to do that.

What really helps the appearance is keeping the rims and tires clean. Scrub the tires first to clean them and then put on some tire treatment to make them look like new.....that way they won't have a brown tint to them.
 

Desk Jockey

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We use Zaino Z-2, it's the best I've ever used, goes on easy, it's a liquid (they even give you a pad). I think one small bottle does 3-4 vans. Comes off easy with microfiber towels.

The shine and glossy feel is amazing, last for months. You can add multiple layers if you want a really deep shine. It's amazing stuff!

http://www.zainostore.com/
 
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rotovacguy

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Joey,

I've been detailing vehicles for years, and can tell you to steer clear of ANY manufacturer that says you can wax without washing. You're grinding the dirt back into the paint......hmmm, kind of sounds like a certain type of carpet "cleaning" method. :mrgreen:


Also, not sure how serious you take your vehicles condition, but I won't waste my time on "wax"...what you want is a "sealer". A paint sealer is much, much more resilient than any wax. Even the best carnuaba waxes have a melting temp of 180 degrees, which your vehicles paint can easily reach (even light colored vehicles) on a typical hot summer day when the sun is straight up in the sky. In other words, your paint will have no protection. Sort of like going out to the beach all day without sunscreen. You're just begging to get burned, much like what will happen to your paint when the wax melts off.


I use a sealer on my Explorer, and even in the salty winters up here in Wisconsin, it holds up far better than any wax that I have ever used. I seal the paint twice a year. Usually in March / April (whenever the salt is off the road for good), and around October, just before we start to get snow again. Even with 6 year old paint, my suv outshines vehicles fresh off the lot. Heck, I routinely get guys kidding me why I store an suv in the winter. I always laugh, tell them it's a daily driver....year round. :lol:
 

Dolly Llama

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Telly, help a brother out with a little "car wax 101"

there's a myriad of auto polishes in the store.

which ones are sealers, which are wax and what about the auto polishes like Nu-Finish, etc?

are sealers and polishes with petroleum distillate base the same?

thanks


..L.T.A.
 

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Larry,

A wax has a low surface adhesion with a high surface tension. Which simply means they're more vulnerable to sunlight, water, salt, ect. A sealant has a high surface adhesion and low surface tension. Simply put they grab to the paint better and its a sum-biatch to remove. A sealant also has synthetic polymers. A wax will hide faults in the paint better, as the sealant lets you see everything.

My mom and her ex owned a carpet detail/paint shop. We did a lot of chopper gas tanks, but also did new paint jobs - sandblasting, custom paint, finish coat. After the finish coat we would wet sand to scuff the surface slightly, and then apply 2-3 coats of sealant. The colors would POP more than with a wax, and the sealant grabs better as well. Lastly a sealer won't leave a white haze on rubber and plastic as a wax does when it wears away over time.
 
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rotovacguy

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Bingo, Steven has it. The only thing I can say is I really don't notice too much difference in the removal process. The sealer I use is maybe "slightly" more difficult to remove versus, say, Pinnacle carnauba wax, but certainly not hard by any means.

I don't use any buffers or crap like that, I do it all by hand. You can't get the same pressure with a buffer, as it spreads the load over a broader area, whereas your fingers will apply more "direct" pressure to really work the sealer into the pores of the paint.. At least that is what I have found after using many different types of units. I just couldn't get used to them, and felt like I did a better job by hand. But, too each their own. I apply the sealer with a small terry cloth towel, and remove it with microfiber cloth towels.

Larry, I found this article. It gives a "general" idea of what it is I'm saying. Where I disagree with this article is when they talk about the way carnauba shines better than a sealant. Perhaps they used a cheap brand sealer...idk. All I can say is I've used about every high end brand of "wax", and not a one of them shines any better than my sealer. Some go on better and come off easier, but I couldn't notice any difference in the way the colors would pop out.


Carnauba Waxes

Carnauba wax is the preferred car wax of collectors and concours enthusiasts because it creates a rich, warm glow. It doesn’t appear to sit on the paint. It transforms the paint into a deep, liquid pool that shimmers under changing light conditions. The more carnauba wax, the more shine.
The wax is produced by the Brazilian Tree of Life, a palm tree, in order to coat its leaves. The wax provides protection from the sweltering sun and it sheds water so it falls onto the ground and is absorbed by the tree’s roots. If you think back to junior high science class, you might remember that plants release oxygen through their leaves. For this reason, carnauba wax is breathable. Good for the tree and good for your paint.

Carnauba is rock hard in its natural form. When the leaves of the Tree of Life are harvested, the wax flakes off as the leaves dry out, or they are put into a machine that removes the wax. It comes off in hard flakes. Car Wax makers have to blend the wax with oils, petroleum distillates, or a solvent called naptha (commonly used to thin wood varnishes and paints) in order to make the wax workable. The very best carnauba-based car wax is only about 1/3 natural carnauba. It’s probably for the best since the price gets higher and higher as the concentration of carnauba rises. When a product advertises “pure carnauba car wax” or “100% carnauba car wax”, they are referring to the purity of the carnauba that is in the product, not the product as a whole. One example is Mother’s California Gold Pure Carnauba Paste Wax.

That brings us to grading. Carnauba is harvested and then graded according to color, purity, and where it was grown. Trees grown in the northern area of Brazil produce the highest grade carnauba. The yellow wax is the most pure and therefore receives the highest grade. This is the grade most commonly used in high end car waxes and in the pharmaceutical industry as a pill coating.
Some manufacturers refine the yellow wax again into an ultra-pure white wax to ensure that the wax produces the clearest, most reflective gloss once applied to the paint. Such is the case with Pinnacle Souveran and Pinnacle Signature Series II.

As you’ve already read, carnauba protects the leaves of a palm tree from the intense heat and humidity experienced in Brazil. The carnauba car wax repels water and, consequently, most contaminants. When applied to any surface, carnauba retains these characteristics. Therefore, an application of a carnauba-based car wax to your vehicle will protect it from UV rays, heat, moisture, oxidation, and environmental contamination. And it looks like a million bucks!
The drawback of carnauba waxes, if you can call it a drawback, is that it does not last as long as a synthetic sealant. A carnauba car wax finish will wear off in approximately 6 to 8 weeks. It depends heavily on the climate in which you live and whether or not your vehicle is garaged. Daily commutes in a hot, humid climate mean a shorter life span for your carnauba wax coat. If you enjoy regular waxing, then the life span of a carnauba wax is just one more reason to indulge in your favorite hobby!
Pinnacle Souverän™ sets the standard for carnauba paste waxes!
Pinnacle Souverän™ sets the standard
for carnauba paste waxes!

In a nutshell, carnauba car wax is the wax of enthusiasts. It appeals to people who want the absolute most stunning show car shine available and are willing to spend a couple of hours every month or so to get it. Most of them will tell you it is time well spent.

Paint Sealants

Paint sealants are kind of the anti-carnauba. They last a lot longer, they are easy to apply, and there’s nothing natural about them. This is surface science at its best.

A paint sealant is made of polymers, which are composed of tens of thousands of synthetic particles that are linked together. When a sealant bonds to your vehicle’s paint, it forms a rigid shell. It is not the warm carnauba that seems to melt into the paint. Paint sealants sit on top of the paint like a transparent chain metal suit. They are glossy and slick, but carnauba lovers will tell you they do not have the warmth and depth of a carnauba.
Paint sealants have gotten progressively more popular as time goes on. Some people really love the hard-as-glass look. In an industry that is driven by technology, it seems appropriate that an engineered paint protector is the new favorite among many detailers. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 lasts the more typical 4 to 6 months.

However, the real selling point of a paint sealant is the durability. A premium paint sealant can last 4 to 6 months, sometimes longer. Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze, for example, can last up to 12 months. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 lasts the more typical 4 to 6 months. By “last”, I mean that water will continue to bead and the paint will remain protected from UV rays and contamination. For people that spend more time driving than detailing, the paint sealant is the way to go.

Paint sealants are extremely easy to apply. They are always in liquid form and they spread easily by hand or with a polisher. This time-saving feature makes paint sealants an attractive choice for those who like instant gratification, and who doesn’t?
As you’ve seen, there are a lot of differences between paint sealants and natural carnauba waxes. Glassy, hard shell or deep, liquid shine? Six months or six weeks? These are the basic questions you have to answer before selecting your paint protection. A premium paint sealant can last 4 to 6 months, sometimes longer. Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze, for example, can last up to 12 months.

However, a growing number of enthusiasts simply refuse to choose. Instead, they coat their vehicles with a layer of sealant for long-lasting protection and then top it with a layer of carnauba for the dazzling shine. Even if you forget to reapply carnauba in 6 weeks, your paint won’t suffer. The Forum Favorite Kit will give a prime example of the shine you can get from a sealant topped with a carnauba. It’s the perfect marriage of beauty and longevity!










Hope that helps you out, Larry.


Basically, in a nutshell, if you enjoy waxing your vehicle every month or two, carnauba wax is fine. However, if you're a lazy basturd, much like myself... :mrgreen: ...go with the sealant. You live in Ohio, and get pretty much the same crap we get here in Wisconsin. Hot humid summers, and salty roads in the winter. Neither of which is any good for your paint.

My advise would be to go with the sealant. But.....make sure your paint is CLEAN when you apply it!! In other words, make sure there is no dirt, OR any other type of wax on it, as it can not bond to the paint as it's supposed to. You can use Dawn liquid soap, that will remove all of it. Whatever stuff it is that Joey was looking at must be some really cheap ass garbage. I would NEVER apply a wax or sealer to dirty paint, regardless of what bogus claims the manufacturer says.
 

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