How much water will air hold?

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Ref the Cleanfax article:
www.cleanfax.com/article.asp?IndexID=6637333
By Scott Warrington


Interesting read. I remember a bit of a discussion at Connections a few years back where someone was suggesting that water doesn't hold water.

So, with this new information in mind, what is the best way to dry a carpet?
How do we increase the temp of the water on the carpet to get it to evaporate faster?
 

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Increase the temperature and crack a window Ron, be sure to have some air movement. Will work as long as your outside humidity isn't greater than the inside.
 

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Dragracers measure grains of water in the air...before each run!
water takes up the space(in air) that would ordinarily be air....
 

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Steven Hoodlebrink said:
Increase the temperature and crack a window Ron, be sure to have some air movement. Will work as long as your outside humidity isn't greater than the inside.
That's the norm based on the idea that warm air will evap more water.
Seems this article is implying a better method but stops short.
Is warming the air the best, most efficient way of warming the water to evap it? I know its been working fine for years, but wrt this article, is it the best way?
 

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Ron when increase the air temperature, you increase the amount of specific humidity that area has allowing it to hold more water, even better if the air is dry. That alone won't cause the carpet to dry quickly, as Richard said applying the heat directly to the carpet with some air movement to cause the evaporation to happen is best.

That concept is where Ken Harris's carpet drying system came from, though I'm not really keen on taking hot air from the TM blower, because of smell and possibility of bacteria being re-entered into the home.
 

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Heat increases the space between molecules. And the density decreases which makes more room for water vapor. It's not actually water that is in the air, it is vapor.

Blowing hot air at carpet is like throwing a sponge at it. If you can blow dry air which can hold more vapor and also causes the water in carpet to turn into vapor faster causes the fastest drying.


How much water in air is called grains like bawb mention. And the amount of grains air can hold increases with hot air and decreases with cool air. That's why in the winter time humidity levels are usually higher because air can't hold as much vapor. Dew point is when air has 100% humidity and can no longer hold/absorb more water. So to find out how much water you can hold in air you need to know the temperature and humidity or the how full your cup is.
 

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The point of the article is that it is not the temperature of the AIR that determines how much vapor is in the air, rather it is the temperature of the water or water vapor.

In many daily situations, it is convenient to think of air as holding so much water according to the air temperature. But this is not actually true.

The best way to increase water vapor in the air is to heat the water, not the air.

This is the process used by directed heat drying systems like TES and E-ETS. Heat the wet material in a water loss situation. Then the water is driven out of the wet material and into the air much faster than would be accomplished by heating the air.
 

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Ron,

Those systems are units we use in water damage restoration, great tools! The TES trailer you're not going to use during carpet cleaning, and honestly the E-TES box you really wouldn't want to either it would be a big PITA.

http://www.tesdryingsystem.com/
 

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Temperature is a measure of average kinetic energy. To cause a phase change from solid to liquid to gas, add energy (heat). To change from a gas to liquid to solid take away energy (cool). Adding energy causes the water molecules to move faster. As a solid, molecules are moving very slowly and lock together in a hexagonal crystal and expand due to molecular attraction. As a liquid the molecules move faster and break free from the crystal structure but not from each other, like a piece of string. As a vapor molecules move fast enough to break free from the molecular attraction.
Airflow directs the energy to the wet materials and multiplies the effects of vapor pressure differentials. As evaporation takes place a boundary layer of high humidity hangs directly over the wet material, slowing or stopping evaporation, airflow removes this boundary layer. Rapid airflow also reduces pressure directly over the wet material causing the higher vapor pressure of the wet material to go to the lower pressure of the air. This will continue until the vapor pressure of the air equalizes with the vapor pressure of the wet material, then net evaporation stops. By adding energy (heat) to the air more water vapor will stay suspended it the air. That is why relative humidity is relative to temperature and expressed as a percentage of saturation at that temperature.
Humidity determines how much energy will be needed to allow a phase change. The lower the vapor pressure of the air the greater the differential is between the vapor pressure of the wet material you want to remove moisture from and the air where you want the moisture to go, the faster you will evaporate moisture. That is why it is necessary to dehumidify the air by venting wet air and bringing in dryer air or using dehumidifiers.
 

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This all gets back to high school physics.
WHo'da thunk the stuff was useful!


I was just thinking if a radiant heater in conjunction with a airpath would speed the drying process even more.
 

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I would be reluctant to leave a radiant heater on unsupervised in a structure. Radiant heaters heat only a small area and tend to be amp whores. Airpaths may work well for the purpose they were intended for, drying the face fibers of freshly cleaned carpets, but neither airpaths nor radiant heaters were designed for water damage restoration.
If your post was inquiring about drying carpets after cleaning, not over wetting the backing of the carpet and dry passes are the key.
 

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Just reading the article and inquiring about how we can use the information to tweak the drying
We're developing all these new tools to clean and leave the carpet as dry as possible, why not one more.
 

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