I am not a scientist and those who are please evaluate

[XTREME1]

orangeforce123.com
this is a product i am currently using and it is the best I have used. I want outside opinions of why I shouldn't use it

 

[Jimmy L]

Because you can't even spell the product right.

:shock:

 

[Ryan]

I saw it on ebay. Looks like a guy is selling that stuff out of his basement lol but if it works thats all that matters.

 

[XTREME1]

Orangeforce123.com

 

[XTREME1]

Ryan,
m,aybe so. I have tried cases of JJo2, Cobbs Powermax, Kleenshield, Masterblend Ultra TLC, Ultrapak, Red Line, Soap Free etc etc and this is the best product I have used. Since I am not a chemist or a gurur I wanted people on the BB to tell me what is up with it. Why is it so good that i don't need spotters and everything comes out great

 

[Dolly Llama]

Ryan,
m,aybe so. I have tried cases of JJo2, Cobbs Powermax, Kleenshield, Masterblend Ultra TLC, Ultrapak, Red Line, Soap Free etc etc and this is the best product I have used. Since I am not a chemist or a gurur I wanted people on the BB to tell me what is up with it. Why is it so good that i don't need spotters and everything comes out great

anything reveling in the MSDS?
since it's called "orange" sump'um, I'll ASSume citrus terpenes are part of it
anything else mentioned?
or is something like "proprietary surfactants"?


..L.T.A.

 

[daniel@procarpet]

Greg try mixing 2 scoops of Powerstrike and 2 scoops of Powerburst in your hydroforce and see what happens.

 

[XTREME1]

Larry I am not sure. I don't know nearly as much about cleaning agents as the folks on the BB's that is why I wanted input. It cleans like nothing I have truied, absolutely amazing. A guy on this board turned me on to it when I was having problems ordereing ultratlc from masterblend and it couldn't have worked out better
here take a look
http://orangeforce123.com/MSDS.html

 

[XTREME1]

their demonstration video is podunk but the stuff is great

http://orangeforce123.com/OrangeForceVideo.html

 

[sweendogg]

Looks like Orange 1 is phosphate based with some surfactants

Orange 2 is an oxygenanted prespray

and Orange 3 is a high percentage D'Limone.

 

[Guest]

What #'s do you primarily use Matt? The #2 with a little #3 or the works, with all 3? Are you using a hydroforce to lay down your pre-spray?

 

[XTREME1]

I use all three about 4oz of 1+2 and 2oz of 3 and I spray it from my hydroforce. They originally recommended 6-8oz of 1+2 and 4-6oz of 3 but It was very thick so I talked to Curt and we decided to lower and it works out great. Rinses nice with the acid rinse.
I couldn't be happier. I was very happy with Masterblend Ultra TLC but was having trouble getting it and a guy from this board turned me on to this and it is great. I would like so feedback from our Chem pros on here

 

[-JB-]

D'Limone.

 

[R W]

Ryan,
m,aybe so. I have tried cases of JJo2, Cobbs Powermax, Kleenshield, Masterblend Ultra TLC, Ultrapak, Red Line, Soap Free etc etc and this is the best product I have used. Since I am not a chemist or a gurur I wanted people on the BB to tell me what is up with it. Why is it so good that i don't need spotters and everything comes out great

How is it for leaving residue?? Seems like anything with "orange" in the name seems to have a reidue problem.

 

[Mountain View Carpet Care]

How is it for leaving residue?? Seems like anything with "orange" in the name seems to have a reidue problem.[/quote]


was thinking the same thing

 

[joeynbgky]

sounds like to much mixing of separate products.. I only want to open one bottle and put in hydroforce not 2 or 3.. but ill order and try it. why not?

 

[XTREME1]

I haven't had any residue issues at all. They sell a rinse I was using and it works great.

Joey I didn't like powders originally but I found using the glug method with the liquids wasn't a good idea when you have people working for you. It mixes up nicely and you don't have to use the 1,2+3 I just do it to that way.

I see alot of knocks and danger signs from JB and Larry for d'limonene could you explain why? I can't find any negative data on it.
The d'limnene part is #3 it is a spotter/booster and you only use 2oz per hydroforce

Thanks

 

[Dolly Llama]

I see alot of knocks and danger signs from JB and Larry for d'limonene could you explain why? I can't find any negative data on it.


Thanks

I've never said anything "dangerous" about them.
we used d'lime based pre-spray regularly years ago ,Greg
(still use and love d'lime gels as safe effective spoters)

But d'lime in general doesn't rinse well compared to "non oily" pre-sprays imHo
None of us are "really" ever removing 100% of the juice we spray down (if we're using any in sufficient quantity)
Maybe Ron Lipoid with his fire hose flow V "might" ..*if* he flush/rinses like Ron Werner vacs.....

Our preference is to use juices that leave as little "oily" residue as possible and are more freer rinsing.

here's a little UNscientific evaluation you can try
try it with all the pre-sprays you currently use..
spray some on your hands (yea I know, it's not recommended and DON'T try it with hydrofluoric acid rust removers :shock: )
then go run some water on them and see which ones rinse the best off your hands.

Is that "Forsythian" science? hardly (BTW, Shawn is my "go to" guy for chem knowledge)
but in my NON expert opinion , that simple evaluation is a good indicator of how easily they'll rinse off the fiber


..L.T.A.

 

[The Preacher]

here's some "Stockwellian" info i've found!


The use of d-limonene in carpet cleaning has been on the rise over the last couple of years. It has replaced other solvents in many spot cleaners as well as some presprays. However, some cleaners have reported resoiling of cleaned areas after using d-limonene-containing spotting agents.

Shaw Industries Inc., Dalton, GA, was asked to assess the situation since it has established testing methods to study resoiling. The results are presented here. Brand names are not included (individual manufacturers have been notified of the results achieved by their products), and all test products were professional products (no off-the-shelf consumer products). The testing methods are described so they can be used by manufacturers and cleaning professionals to evaluate their products.


Conclusions

1. d-Limonene alone does not cause resoiling. It appears that some products contain materials that do cause significant resoiling. Additional steps, such as hot water extraction, may be required to remove the residues that cause the problem. The resoiling occurred as a result of exposure to traffic for less than 24 hours in a building with around-the-clock operations. Such rapid resoiling substantiates the reports of resoiling problems in real practice.

 

[-JB-]

I seem to recall hearing that products w/ d-limonene in them will void all residential carpet manufacture warranty, any want to substantiate that?


my feelings on the subject...

http://www.mikeysboard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24556&p=273051#p273051 ( funny I never got an answer to that question either.) Ivebeensold

http://www.mikeysboard.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3331&hilit=atomic

 

[The Preacher]

maybe nobody likes you, ya lozer????

 

[rhino1]

sounds like to much mixing of separate products.. I only want to open one bottle and put in hydroforce not 2 or 3.. but ill order and try it. why not?

The different products is what makes this system work well for me. Trashed carpet? Go heavy on the dl. Light soil, just use some of the basic prespray and no dl. You can also use different ratios/mixtures to make your own spotting solutions for just about anything.

This stuff goes a long, long way - if you are looking to cut chemical costs.

The guy who makes this stuff is in Misssouri. I trust people from Missouri.

 

[Desk Jockey]

You trust people from Missouri? :shock:

 

[XTREME1]

if you are looking to cut chemical costs.

I always hate this argument when discussing cleaning and spotting agents. Properly used you could spend $100 a gallon on your favorite prespray and it would still be a low percentage of your actual costs. If you used 4oz per job of ultrapak, judson anything and it was $100.00 a gallon and your average job was $200 your chem cost would be around $3 which may be 3 times what your currently paying but still a fraction.

Orangeforce123 does save on spotters, someone had mentioned before when I said how many spotters I have on the truck that people only expect us to remove 90% of spots and stains and I always went for 100% so I did spend a lot on spotters and since I have used this product I have not used a spotter. I am not lying, no BS not one spotter. That is why I was asking for our top notch crew here to let me know what is up with this product I didn't want peoples body parts falling off. Clean pleasant smelling, rinses well, great price, I am actually looking for the knock on it

Chris "Rhino" Bolin was the one who turned me onto it, I didn't mention him because he pm'd me the info and I wasn't sure if he wanted it public but since he posted.

 

[rhino1]

if you are looking to cut chemical costs.

I always hate this argument when discussing cleaning and spotting agents. Properly used you could spend $100 a gallon on your favorite prespray and it would still be a low percentage of your actual costs. If you used 4oz per job of ultrapak, judson anything and it was $100.00 a gallon and your average job was $200 your chem cost would be around $3 which may be 3 times what your currently paying but still a fraction.

Orangeforce123 does save on spotters, someone had mentioned before when I said how many spotters I have on the truck that people only expect us to remove 90% of spots and stains and I always went for 100% so I did spend a lot on spotters and since I have used this product I have not used a spotter. I am not lying, no BS not one spotter. That is why I was asking for our top notch crew here to let me know what is up with this product I didn't want peoples body parts falling off. Clean pleasant smelling, rinses well, great price, I am actually looking for the knock on it

Chris "Rhino" Bolin was the one who turned me onto it, I didn't mention him because he pm'd me the info and I wasn't sure if he wanted it public but since he posted.

Just to clarify: I pm'd the info after you asked me for it in a post, I'm not on here trying to sell anybody anything.

Cost is cost, not the main concern for me, but the increase in Prochem costs is what caused me to look for something new.
I would rather the extra money were in my bank account than someone else's.

Besides, I'm saving up to buy a V.

 

[Curtis Pennington]

I got that same bullsheet when I did some cost comparison on pre spray concerning various makers...money is money that is the bottom line...duh freakin duh....unless you sell it LMBO