Is there any good reason NOT to go 4-1 on a Hydro-Force sprayer?

[D Luke]

I've been using a Hydro-Force (Pro) for about 18 months now. The first one I bought is still working great and has never given me problems other than gun valve rebuilds.

Steve (Johnson?) an Interlink rep talked me into buying it and switching from pump-ups at a CAD day. One of the best moves I've ever made.

Anyway, I asked him about taking out the yellow tip and using it at 4-1 and he implied he didn't think that would be a good idea. Says you use way too much chemical. I don't know if he just didn't trust me to be able to do a little math in my head or what.

Aside from having to do a little figuring is there any other reason not to go 4-1? Advantages would be being able to achieve more concentrated oxidizer and enzyme treatments for urine.

 

[Mark Saiger]

4:1 works

I also prefer the Multi Sprayer brand myself



Usually I start at 8:1 setting but like the adjustable to do pet treatment too or other situations

 

[Cleanworks]

Just a personal preference. 4-1 would put down a lot more cleaning solution a lot faster than 8-1.

 

[jcooper]

Aside from having to do a little figuring is there any other reason not to go 4-1? Advantages would be being able to achieve more concentrated oxidizer and enzyme treatments for urine.

On a large job you will be running out and refiling twice as fast.

If you are thinking about protector(4-1) I'd just get another one. That's how we do it, one for pre spray, one for scotchgurd.

 

[D Luke]

No protector.

I literally never mix up more than 2 quarts at a time now so that would be the same as 4 quarts at 4-1.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Thanks Mark for the comments on the UV light.

Should be making sales easier on those "pet jobs".

Just one chemistry point; only the bacteria producing the enzyme are affected by the oxidizer.

Some "actual enzymes" are designed to work in conjunction with oxidizers.

We use those two together in a couple of our products.

We also like 4 to 1 dilution for presprays, since the solvents can work more effectively.

 

[Cleanworks]

On a large job you will be running out and refiling twice as fast.

If you are thinking about protector(4-1) I'd just get another one. That's how we do it, one for pre spray, one for scotchgurd.

I hope if you are using a hydroforce for protector, you just have fresh water coming from your tm, otherwise you are mixing cleaning solution with protector. Not good.

 

[jcooper]

I hope if you are using a Hydroforce for protector, you just have fresh water coming from your tm, otherwise you are mixing cleaning solution with protector. Not good.

Actually, when I picked up the rug doctor at home depot, the guy said mix it all together.

 

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4:1 works

I also prefer the Multi Sprayer brand myself



Usually I start at 8:1 setting but like the adjustable to do pet treatment too or other situations

Hey Mark, did you apply the harvard pet treatment to the whole carpet or did you run your normal cleaner over the rest?

Was that the only treatment that you did on those spots?

You mention that peroxide will kill the enzymes. Would it kill synthetic enzymes?

 

[Mikey P]

Get the seven quart size and you'll be fine.. makes about 8 gallons of rtu


Enough for most resi jobs

 

[Mark Saiger]

Hey Mark, did you apply the harvard pet treatment to the whole carpet or did you run your normal cleaner over the rest?

Was that the only treatment that you did on those spots?

You mention that peroxide will kill the enzymes. Would it kill synthetic enzymes?

I will apply the Harvard Pet Stainoff on all the carpets in some places...and then will sometimes get by with just that as a prespray (it is a neutral 7 ph but still killer cleaner sometimes)...

But there are sometimes that I need a more aggressive prespray as well, so will go over it with a higher ph as needed prespray....just avoiding the booster powders and other peroxide base products to help keep live enzymes working in the carpets (we try to leave some of it in the carpet even pushing deep into the carpet)

But in these videos, we did apply a prespray after the pet stain off.

Synthetic enzyme based go well with a sodium percarbonate based product (Harvard CitraZov Powder has both synthetic enzyme and powdered peroxide Sodium percarbonates) and those are compatible.

As Mike mentioned, the 7 quart large jug is pretty cool also....we have those too, but also have a lot of the smaller typical 5 quart that we use specialty presprays such as the Pet Stainoff in....

 

[Mark Saiger]

Thanks Mark for the comments on the UV light.

Should be making sales easier on those "pet jobs".

Just one chemistry point; only the bacteria producing the enzyme are affected by the oxidizer.

Some "actual enzymes" are designed to work in conjunction with oxidizers.

We use those two together in a couple of our products.

We also like 4 to 1 dilution for presprays, since the solvents can work more effectively.

Thank you Larry...and just ordered another light from Larry this past week they are so smoking good!

And thank you for the comment about the enzymes I might have not been as clear on too.

Hope "FFA" might see this too...

Was great speaking with you the other day Larry, and I really like telling people about your great knowledge and passion with lights (and previous road band experience)

Just was telling a few people this week....other cleaners and even my clients

 

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Thank you Larry...and just ordered another light from Larry this past week they are so smoking good!

And thank you for the comment about the enzymes I might have not been as clear on too.

Hope "FFA" might see this too...

Was great speaking with you the other day Larry, and I really like telling people about your great knowledge and passion with lights (and previous road band experience)

Just was telling a few people this week....other cleaners and even my clients

Thankyou Mark for the reply. I run into alot of dogsmell and urine issues that i do multiple steps on. Maybe this Harvard stuff will be more effective for me. Just bought a case.

 

[FFA]

Oh and i like my battery sprayer for correct concentration.

 

[Mikey P]

How often do you use the same prespray on back took back jobs?

Rarely, so 4 to 1 is ideal for nerds like us.

 

[jcooper]

How often do you use the same prespray on back took back jobs?
Rarely, so 4 to 1 is ideal for nerds like us.

Most jobs for me are synthetic(wall to wall) and not trashed. So, powermax(or something like it) pretty much works on everything.

 

[jwfoulk12]

I like the 4-1 as I find it easier to mix power 4-1 then 8-1

 

[Cleanworks]

Instead of just counting on your fingers, you can count your toes too.

 

[dealtimeman]

4 to 1 is easy and yes we use powermax on most carpets, if needed we can boost or if we get a trashed we have at least one other hydroforce on the truck at all times to use flex or ultrapac.

We use more Prespray than most and we flush using a lot more water than most, as well we dry stroke slower and more than most.

It leads to less volume business as carpets don't resoil for at least a year if not longer, so it is not for everyone.

We have used Harvard pet stain off with and without mixing into the powermax and can see no difference as of yet.

That pet stain off doesn't remove all of the stains but it does damn near rid all of odor and with a bubblegum reward scent.

 

[BLewis]

We always remove the tip and go 4-1. Say if we're doing a restaurant you will never use more than 3oz per hydroforce and in most cases 1 scoop will do

 

[Nate The Great]

We always remove the tip and go 4-1. Say if we're doing a restaurant you will never use more than 3oz per hydroforce and in most cases 1 scoop will do

3oz of what? Seems a bit low even for 4-1 ratio...

 

[BLewis]

3oz of what? Seems a bit low even for 4-1 ratio...

Flex w/Citrus

 

[BLewis]

My experience has been to find that magical amount. For years I gave into adding more chemical only to find it leaves more residue. So a few years ago I started backing off when I felt the urge to add more

 

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4:1 works

I also prefer the Multi Sprayer brand myself



Usually I start at 8:1 setting but like the adjustable to do pet treatment too or other situations

Hey Mark i just recieved some harvard pet stain off. Just wondering how much you add to you sprayer. I have a 1:8 wespack sprayer.

 

[Mark Saiger]

Hey Mark i just recieved some harvard pet stain off. Just wondering how much you add to you sprayer. I have a 1:8 wespack sprayer.

We use it pure but water it down in our Hydroforce (Actually use the MultiSprayer inline pressure Sprayer) at 4:1 setting.

Warm water so turn your TM temps down (or use just warm water if in battery sprayer or pump up)

 

[SamIam]

Flex w/Citrus

Probably 3 oz per gal?

A scoop is 2 oz I usually use about 5 scoops 2 oz per gal.

I run my at 4-1 I carry 2 bottles if I think I'm gonna need more then one to do a job I mix 2 at 4-1 then I put one upstairs one downstairs.

 

[FFA]

How many sq ft can you cover when going 1:4?