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Mikey P

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Saiger and I usually get on the phone most days at 5 AM Pacific Time where we discuss lives, wives, politics, oxidizers, economics, heating bills and compare how many hours went spent yesterday helping other cleaners.


Today’s hot topic was “When does our industries attempt’s to be deep cleaning superheroes, really just make matters worse”

Now if you are still holding on to the days when Mark and I were Hot Water Extraction method only gawds, you may want to stop reading now.

We reminisced about the early days of the water claws when we all believed that if you poured enough OSR into the carpet and used your spotter and stand on sub surface extractors, than as the marketing promised, you were really getting all the urine out.

I can still recall the ONE JOB where I used an 18” by 24” stand on model over a whole room of kitty goodness, and the horrible wicked up mess that appeared overnight.

I’ve also seen enough wick backs and related stench, that I caused by using a rotary extractor with a clear site tube and being obsessive to the point of going over and over an area until the water finally ran clear through the sight tube.

Mark had his fair share of nightmares to tell, and we are both now mature enough cleaners to admit that in most cases of extreme soiling conditions, less is more.

If the pets still have years of life in them or the family budget just does not allow for replacement anytime soon, the moral and true professional thing to do is to remove as much soil as you can WITHOUT getting the backing wet.



I will say it again, WITHOUT GETTING THE BACKING WET.



Because, once you get the funk hiding in the latex, the secondary, and inevitably the pad and subfloor wet with your Extreme Klean 15pH OxyEnzyme (boosted with ************!) you’ve created an even worse toxic sewage cesspool of delight. (Thank you very much Mr Professional!)

and no, I don’t care how dirty your waste tank water is, go spend a few days washing rugs in a plant that washes on a white floor, if you need to prove this to yourself.



In fact, I whole heartedly believe that the precursor to getting a Carpet Cleaning Technician certification from the IICRC, should be taking their Rug Cleaning Technician certification class at a real rug plant. Students NEED to see just how much soil and urine a carpet can hold and just how long it takes to actually get it all out. THEN it will make sense. THEN they (you?) will finally grasp that ten extra clean strokes with a wand or 500 extra passes with a rotary extractor still are not even close enough to getting it all out.

Now let me really piss (pun intended) some people off and tell you how Mark and I also agree that in many cases you would be better off removing the visible soil from a kitty house with microfiber pads and a deep “cleaning” TOPS machine, along with a non-residual enzyme/encap…

Pow!





The old ICS Mikey P just rolled over in his grave.





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Yes?



Please leave a comment, or a bullshit, macho "24 flow is best" theory below…
 
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Mikey P

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I concur. With 37 years under my wand slot, I do not want to stir up the unforeseen as it is better left alone!
I often joke in my community that I'm the only carpet cleaner on the planet that does not have the words "pet, urine, dog, cat, enzyme, or deodorizer" on his website because I don't want to deal with people wacky enough to believe that they can pay somebody to defy gravity...
 
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I didn’t read much
But figure I can condense it

“As long as it’s good n nuff to get paid,
It’s good n nuff”

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Cleanworks

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Once you start doing restorations and rip a few carpets out and see how the urine has saturated the floor underneath, you will understand.
 

Meter Maid

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VLM makes carpet look cleaner for longer. The way the carpet looks when I leave the job is the way it’s going to look in a week, no concern over wicking.

If I could VLM all of my jobs, I would. Unfortunately, some jobs just have to be rinsed.
 
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Willy P

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now give me my free glide, Michael.
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Saiger and I usually get on the phone most days at 5 AM Pacific Time where we discuss lives, wives, politics, oxidizers, economics, heating bills and compare how many hours went spent yesterday helping other cleaners.


Today’s hot topic was “When does our industries attempt’s to be deep cleaning superheroes, really just make matters worse”

Now if you are still holding on to the days when Mark and I were Hot Water Extraction method only gawds, you may want to stop reading now.

We reminisced about the early days of the water claws when we all believed that if you poured enough OSR into the carpet and used your spotter and stand on sub surface extractors, than as the marketing promised, you were really getting all the urine out.

I can still recall the ONE JOB where I used an 18” by 24” stand on model over a whole room of kitty goodness, and the horrible wicked up mess that appeared overnight.

I’ve also seen enough wick backs and related stench, that I caused by using a rotary extractor with a clear site tube and being obsessive to the point of going over and over an area until the water finally ran clear through the sight tube.

Mark had his fair share of nightmares to tell, and we are both now mature enough cleaners to admit that in most cases of extreme soiling conditions, less is more.

If the pets still have years of life in them or the family budget just does not allow for replacement anytime soon, the moral and true professional thing to do is to remove as much soil as you can WITHOUT getting the backing wet.



I will say it again, WITHOUT GETTING THE BACKING WET.



Because, once you get the funk hiding in the latex, the secondary, and inevitably the pad and subfloor wet with your Extreme Klean 15pH OxyEnzyme (boosted with ************!) you’ve created an even worse toxic sewage cesspool of delight. (Thank you very much Mr Professional!)

and no, I don’t care how dirty your waste tank water is, go spend a few days washing rugs in a plant that washes on a white floor, if you need to prove this to yourself.



In fact, I whole heartedly believe that the precursor to getting a Carpet Cleaning Technician certification from the IICRC, should be taking their Rug Cleaning Technician certification class at a real rug plant. Students NEED to see just how much soil and urine a carpet can hold and just how long it takes to actually get it all out. THEN it will make sense. THEN they (you?) will finally grasp that ten extra clean strokes with a wand or 500 extra passes with a rotary extractor still are not even close enough to getting it all out.

Now let me really piss (pun intended) some people off and tell you how Mark and I also agree that in many cases you would be better off removing the visible soil from a kitty house with microfiber pads and a deep “cleaning” TOPS machine, along with a non-residual enzyme/encap…

Pow!





The old ICS Mikey P just rolled over in his grave.





Makes sense?

No?

Yes?



Please leave a comment, or a bullshit, macho "24 flow is best" theory below…
I understand
 
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