Politics aside, who will make the best President?

Mikey P

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Will either sock puppet and their goofy super hero side kick really make a difference or are we voting for the big business that supports either party? Are those businesses really divided?
Or does it go even beyond that and the elections are all a distracting ruse to keep the little people feeling involved?

Will the course of this country really sway one way or the other with Osama or Gramps?
Do the VPs really matter after November? When was the last time you saw Cheney do something?


I believe it comes down to, what Sit Com can I stomach for the next four years?

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The writing on the last show was so bad I canceled my Cable
 

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sometimes history repeats itself, we had a weak 2 term republican president who wasn't really a true conservative, had a decent foreign policy. but compromised with the libs and didn't lead a movment like reagan did. his name was richard nixon, in 76 we faced economic uncertainty and soaring energy prices, is the situation becoming clear yet?? an outside peanut farmer from gerogia was going to come to the rescue, however it was a disaster. I hope we are not doomed to repeat history this time. If we get Obama we are F'd if we get mccain I am a conservative, and I have to admit even obama is right, it will be a 3rd term for bush, however is that as bad as getting another Jimmy carter?? look at it this way if obama does win, there is one up side mccain will have party discipline exercised on him that he has been lacking by the people of this country.
 

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I here ya.
It really shouldn't matter but sometimes it does.

I vote for less taxes and more security...bottom line. Everything else will work itself out.

The President is just blamed for all the other bull so people think it makes a difference when you vote on them.
 

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Nixon wasn't conservative??????

to address some of your questions, vEEgs

no, it probably won't matter which party wins the White House.

However, McCain is at least a known commodity and Obama is not.
By virtue of that alone, McCain would be my choice if that were the only two choices

however, I'll be voting for Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate
(if i vote at all...)


..L.T.A.
 

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Politics aside, Ron Paul would make the best president.

It doesn't matter which of the two get elected.

All hail the new world order.
 

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Just the fact you have to ask, says we are headed for the crapper, I don't even know Barr but I know enough to realize the GOP and the Dems are killing us.
 

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Bob Barr would be as disasterous as Ron Paul just without the fanatics. We need someone to do the right thing no matter who thinks of it. Reach across the aisle and find common ground. This doesn't mean compromise it means pass the issues we agree on first. Then argue about the rest.
 
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What I predict is the people who don't vote, will have there vote counted in obama's favor due to his past involvement with ACORN and voter fraud.

Remember how hard Al Gore was trying to get elected. Dragged the whole election out trying to win in his favor. History will repeat it's self. Look at the speeches taken from the past and regurgitated in obama's and biden's speeches. I'd rather have a president who does not take out the pledge of allegiance and who also fought for his country. Obama is running on the color of his skin. With that said, this is the first election I will be voting in (I'm 23 btw). My vote counts as do everyone else's does. I will not let it go to waste and aid obama.
 

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I'll vote for McCain - and it will hurt real bad to do so. Every four years we're treated to this crap-fest. Depressing as hell.
 

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Jeff Madsen said:
I'll vote for McCain - and it will hurt real bad to do so. Every four years we're treated to this crap-fest. Depressing as hell.

I fear Jeff may be right, I've chosen to opt out before, everytime the liberal vote seemed to climb, I'll likely vote McCain cause Lisa is likely to vote Obama, need to keep the balance.
 

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Ill be voting Bob Barr. I know he won't be elected, but it's my way of saying I'm tired of the bullshit. WE need a revolution and a real change! Mc.Cain would follow the constitution maybe about 50% of the time. Obama would follow The Marxist ( failed ) way 100% of the time. Here is some great stats of the Democraticaly run Chicago.......

CHANGE - CHICAGO STYLE
Homicide Body count. In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago. More than the 221 killed in the entire country of Iraq during a real war.

The nearly the entire leadership of Illinois are Democrats:

Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Gov. Rod Blogojevich,
House leader Mike Madigan,
Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of former Mayor Richard J. Daley) Chicago is a combat zone. Of course they're all blaming each other.

They can't blame the Republicans, because there aren't any!

The State pension fund is $44 Billion in debt, the worst in the country. Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. The Chicago school system is one of the worst in country.
This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois. This is where Obama was a community organizer. How would you like him to organize your community.


Well, he will if he's elected!
And he's gonna 'change' us? NO THANKS OBAMA !!!
 

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I never liked Bob Barr when he was a Republican. He is to far to the right for me.
 

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Rex Tyus said:
Bob Barr would be as disasterous as Ron Paul just without the fanatics. We need someone to do the right thing no matter who thinks of it. Reach across the aisle and find common ground. This doesn't mean compromise it means pass the issues we agree on first. Then argue about the rest.

Ron Paul wants to take on the IRS, the Fed, Fractional Reserve Banking, revamp our whole money system. He was saying this before everything started falling apart. He has a real solution for our dollar crisis. The only disastrous thing about Ron Paul is morons like you don't get it, and when you do, it will be too late.
 

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As a foreigner looking in at this election ( we go vote next week ) may I suggest that the only way to send a message to the corrupt politicians is to vote against EVERY incumbent.
As for President it's a crap shoot - I don't think either ticket will really change anything except the song they are singing right now.

Good luck with whatever you get.
 

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B&BGaryC said:
[quote="Rex Tyus":33dz6pc8]Bob Barr would be as disasterous as Ron Paul just without the fanatics. We need someone to do the right thing no matter who thinks of it. Reach across the aisle and find common ground. This doesn't mean compromise it means pass the issues we agree on first. Then argue about the rest.

Ron Paul wants to take on the IRS, the Fed, Fractional Reserve Banking, revamp our whole money system. He was saying this before everything started falling apart. He has a real solution for our dollar crisis. The only disastrous thing about Ron Paul is morons like you don't get it, and when you do, it will be too late.[/quote:33dz6pc8]


Gary you are an idiot. I do get it. You just don't know what you are wishing for. To do what Ron Paul wants to do all at once would bring about the collapse of the civilized world. When drug addicts are addicted to a certain level to take them off cold turkey would KILL THEM. What Ron want to do all at once will KILL our economy as well as the rest of the world.

He would also set us up to pre-great depression situations. He has many good points but he is derranged and obsessed as are many of his followers. He would be a great asset in the Senate as a counter point. But he lacks the ability to even get elected in a state wide election. Ron is now just a foot note (thank God) in history. Get over it.
 

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I DON'T WANNA WORK...I WANNA BANG ON THE OBONGO ALL DEY LONG!
 

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Gary, take a breather.

There won't be any IRS or Reserve revamping, it can't happen as long as those who benefit are still deciding on how they write the rules, you have to be reasonable and realistic.

It is true, to make a difference you are gonna have to shake things up, and frankly just like taking medicine, the average American doesn't really like the taste of the cure, it's gonna hurt...and so mediocrity is the likely result of the next election, so brace for it.

And Rex is probably the last guy I'd call a moron on any issue, but i know you didn't mean it.
 

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Mikeyxj8 said:
Ill be voting Bob Barr. I know he won't be elected, but it's my way of saying I'm tired of the bullshit.


Look I understand the thought here and have considered it myself but I believe the better way to send a message is to vote out the congressmen. All of them, republican (with very very few exceptions) and democrat and then keep voting out the incumbents every damn election until they get the point.
 

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Joey has a good point. But that would require the lethargic masses to think and do something.
 

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He would also set us up to pre-great depression situations.

That's exact situation we are in right now. I agree with some of what you said, but those of you who do the research will see we are on the brink of a full economic depression/collapse. Our coutry is out of money. In the next 5-6 months or sooner you will start to see city's go bankrupt and not be able to pay their employees, all this bailout money is new printed money and it's just a bandaid on the real problem.
 

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I am one of the masses. I realized this a few years back. I was getting so pissed about the political scene, not just national, local and state as well. But what do I really have to be pissed about? I do absolutely nothing of merit to remedy this situation but piss and moan, go to the ballot box, and resign to the fact that most of the people that should be running the show have very little interest in doing so, IMHO, the ones who have no interest in the power, prestige, and the rest of it. Most of the names staring me back at me in the ballot box don't care about me, my family, working conditions, schools, etc. and I am too friggin lazy to really take on the regime at the level it would take to get jack all done. I would rather piss and moan, and try to provide for myself and my children.
To get me out of this rut will take something fairly drastic.
That said I will be in the GOP this year. I never can find someone I totally agree with. Guess that's what you get with a republic.....
I'm prolly just mad I have to get up at 5 am again.
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Rex Tyus said:
[quote="B&BGaryC":3t8eirc2][quote="Rex Tyus":3t8eirc2]Bob Barr would be as disasterous as Ron Paul just without the fanatics. We need someone to do the right thing no matter who thinks of it. Reach across the aisle and find common ground. This doesn't mean compromise it means pass the issues we agree on first. Then argue about the rest.

Ron Paul wants to take on the IRS, the Fed, Fractional Reserve Banking, revamp our whole money system. He was saying this before everything started falling apart. He has a real solution for our dollar crisis. The only disastrous thing about Ron Paul is morons like you don't get it, and when you do, it will be too late.[/quote:3t8eirc2]


Gary you are an idiot. I do get it. You just don't know what you are wishing for. To do what Ron Paul wants to do all at once would bring about the collapse of the civilized world. When drug addicts are addicted to a certain level to take them off cold turkey would KILL THEM. What Ron want to do all at once will KILL our economy as well as the rest of the world.

He would also set us up to pre-great depression situations. He has many good points but he is derranged and obsessed as are many of his followers. He would be a great asset in the Senate as a counter point. But he lacks the ability to even get elected in a state wide election. Ron is now just a foot note (thank God) in history. Get over it.[/quote:3t8eirc2]

Yes, shutting down all the corrupt organizations would bring the world economy to a screeching halt, something that is going to happen anyway. However, if we slowly took the power back, we could break free and build up the republic. Imagine if we repealed the federal reserve act, and now instead of a private bank making that 2-3 percent off of all new loans and money, the federal government made that money. Those revenues could go to start paying down some of the debt. Imagine if we took over the IRS, and stopped spending 50% of income taxes on the very act of collecting them? What if we moved to a constitutional tax, one that allowed us to be secure in our documents, and required those that sold the goods to charge the taxes. Then the government couldn't come after me if I didn't pay my taxes on my new fridge. Once we freed people from the oppression that takes away the fruit of their labor, we would have an economic boom. As money and credit increased, so would interest revenues starting to pay down debt.



I apologize for calling you a moron.

You are a very intelligent man and everybody knows it. Instead of trying to think of ways doing the right thing wouldn't work, try to come up with a solution. If you really understand our economic situation, and know about the fabian socialists, and fractional reserve banking, and the federal reserve and the IRS and the national debt and.....!!! Why would you want more of the same?

As for the things I mentioned above, on how to transition back to a republic without totally collapsing the world economy... I'm sure you're smart enough to pick it all apart and tell me why it won't work. Keep this in mind; I just thought of it sitting here at the computer. I'm sure with more time, and more thought, and some people actually working for a solution to bring back our republic instead of trying to attach their greed onto legislation we might come up with a better idea than some BDCC sitting in an easy chair with a wireless keyboard and a cup of Folgers... That doesn't negate the need to free us from the slavery that is a corrupt money system, and it doesn't make patriots like Ron Paul radicals for trying to return us to rule by constitutional law.
 

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Gary I appoligize for callin you an idiot. I should not have responded that way. I meant it with affection though. :wink:
 

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Rex Tyus said:
Gary I appoligize for callin you an idiot. I should not have responded that way. I meant it with affection though. :wink:
No apology needed. If I call somebody a moron I can expect to be called an idiot or worse.

At least you didn't call me an "Idot" for using a product according to label directions for it's intended purpose. (You would have had to seen the thread to get it.)

bob vawter said:
How come such a smart brain in such a dumb body?

Eh?
 

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