Poor Joe got bashed..................... Why is that ?

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Why is that ?

He gets the bashing more than Howard why is that ?
He never posts on the BB unless its time for his conference why is that ?
Lisa W is always protecting him why is that ?
Guys with no profiles are always posting about his event why is that ?


Anyone want to share real answers ?
 

Mikey P

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Both approaches sound painful but at least with Polish you'll have some good stories for when your old and your rectum has tightened back up.
 

Ernie G

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The reason Joe got bashed is because people are just getting tired of the same old b.s.- I would respect him alot more if he would just tell me in the begining that he wants or needs all my money. Instead he just keeps sending me stuff that says he's gonna give something FREE!And who the hell is gonna read all that crap, I don't have that much time. I'll give him credit for one thing, he is persitent. He is also a leader, and their always alot more followers than leaders. Having said all that, when he started out he helped alot of carpet cleaners and as long as their are plenty of people to sign on with him, he will exist.
 

Ernie G

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He does claim the rags to riches story. The story is he started cleaning carpets on a shoe-string and was'nt doing well, got a little extended with credit card debt, and then just figuired it all out. Give him credit, he did alot of reading learned alot, and applied alot defferent stuff- some of it worked in his busn.- then he decided to enlighten us all. Again, I think he has helped alot of cleaners, I just don't like his style.
 

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Remember that the tactics that Joe uses to get you to buy his services: pushiness, brashness and offering something for free, so he can make more money later.

Are much of these same tactics that he will in turn teach you to use to develop to use for your own business.

(If Joe had a better way to market wouldn't he be using them on you!!)


Also, much of the ways to "improve" your business will be to continue to buy Joe's newsletters, Cd's, websites, seminars, coaching, smoke ,mirrors............


AS a note:
I prefer to sell by creating win, win, win situations and let large groups do the selling for me. So, I don't have to spend time or money marketing. No backend!! I just want to help others market smarter.


(Now i'll be expecting Joe to give me another nasty phone call-)

DAve-
 

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Joe will have these contest where the Piranha members have to enter their own unique marketing ideas in order to win a dream date in his hot tub.


Remember the soap scene in Fight Club?
 

Jim Martin

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IMO blanket marketing just is not worth it........Why in the world would I want to get bent over the same table 100's of other have bent over before me....the only thing free is the Vaseline...

IF.. I was going to buy any type of marketing I would probably consider Dave YoaKum

He seems to be the most honest about his program..he will not sell it to you if there is another in your area that already has it..it is first come first serve..........It is my understanding he gives a good guarantee with it..and he will only sell it if it will fit into your marketing/population......He is in it for the cleaner ..not JUST the money..he could be like everyone else and just look at the money and sell it to whom ever pony's pm the cash....but he won't
so this tells me that I would be set apart from other cleaners instead of marketing the exact same....
with Dave's you get the whole program..not just high priced tidbits and then continue bleeding you to death for the rest....

I have never talked to Dave about his program..nor do I know what is in it..but just by listening to him explain it..to me it is a no brainer to try before I would try anything....
 

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From what I here from one of Joe's original guys in his inner circle he never had a carpet cleaning business. Regardless, he went looking for that attention on ICS because he has an up coming conference. Like him or not he's a good a marketer and teaches good marketing.
 

Ron Werner

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Joe started cleaning carpets and did what most guys did, look at the competition. He started cleaning for 9.95 a room and tried to make a go of that with out the B&S.
After getting very tired of it, he asked a wealthy busnman if he knew of something Joe could get into to make money. They guy asked him if there were other cleaners making money. Joe answered yes. The guy said then that there is nothing wrong with the busn, just the way Joe was approaching it. This lead Joe to start researching marketing. He took his busn from nada to making almost or over $100000/yr, one truck. Then he realized he could sell the info. And there was a long learning curve in that to. People would buy his plan, but not follow "everything" that he did, and when it didn't work they bad mouthed him. Same with Amway. Not many actually did what it took and when it failed, they weren't honest enough to say, "THEY" failed at it because they skipped steps.

My busn was going no where fast. I answered a one page typed ad in Cleanfax back in 97. That changed the course of my busn. I didn't do everything he said so I haven't the huge success story other's have claimed but the few things I did do set me apart from everyone else in my area to the point now where I honestly feel I have no competition. I have colleagues that I can refer to for help and budget cleaners that I refer when I'm not the right choice for a customer.
I figure this industry would not be where it is today had Joe not come on the scene, followed by Howard, and SFS and others. Joe started teaching about "business" and making money. There are probably many of us using his methods and don't even realize it because they have gotten so common place now.

If you don't want to go to his, or Howard's, functions, don't go. Delete his messages and move on.
 

Greg Loe

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I was a poor black kid living in a shack till I stole all my momma's money and gave it to Joe. Now I'm a white, respected business man living in a gated community.

Joe should get a banner add here.
 

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I am always wondering why people that are selling stuff to make you rich, weather its the CC biz or realestate whatever, why the hell are they not out doing that and making a fortune rather than trying to sell their crap ideas and make money of those
 

Greg Loe

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I am always wondering why people that are selling stuff to make you rich, weather its the CC biz or realestate whatever, why the hell are they not out doing that and making a fortune rather than trying to sell their crap ideas and make money of those

Because they can make more at the selling to suckers than just cleaning carpet
 

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You sell people the opportunity to learn how to sell people the opportunity to learn how to sell people the opportunity to learn.... Wait, I just got lost....

It's a legal pyramid scheme.
 
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