Powder Encapsulate

[Larry Cobb]

Been doing some testing this week on a "Powder Encap" product. It is similar to this product that Ashley M. tested in this Facebook thread: [www.facebook.com/groups/TheCarpetCleanersPage/permalink/611118355710379/?hc_location=ufi]
Right photo is 8oz of 50% "Powder Encap" dried on glass plate.
Left photo is clean release of product from glass plate.
What are your thoughts about a "Powder Encap" cleaner.

 

[Cleanworks]

I'm still a little new to the encap market but I would say if it is crystalizing to a dry, hard residue and trapping the soil within, more power to you Larry. LotKs of competition out there but there's always room for one more.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Starting from an absorbent powder base gives the product more capability to absorb soil to be vacuumed away,

compared to a liquid Encap formulation.

 

[Mikey P]

Is it a film former or crispie?

 

[Goomer]

Right photo is 8oz of 50% "Powder Encap"

8oz of 50%??

What does that mean?

How does it dissolve?

Those pictures gave me flashbacks................

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Great for cleaning glass plates.

 

[Larry Cobb]

4oz. of Encap Powder + 4 oz. of water to make 8 oz of solution.

It is very soluble.

8 oz. were used to compare to the Encap testing done earlier in CleanFax magazine.

 

[Goomer]

What percentage of the powders total volume would the encapsulating component be?

 

[Jimmy L]

Encap can be defined in many ways. For an example one maker of a "water softner" based cleaner says his is a encapsulant. But dry down testing showed it merely left a dry SODIUM residue. Another instance is Formula 90 , and when used it just leaves a dry residue that can be vacuumed up.

So as all of this marketing BS that describes encapsulation can mean many things. Film former , crystal....bla bla bla.

What your looking for is something that after cleaning it just leaves a DRY RESIDUE.

I am quite surprised at all of the VLM KLOWNS who on the surface seem to be those Big Bang nerds just can't seem to grasp what these encap chems really are.

DRY RESIDUE

Doesn't encapsulate anything

 

[encapman]

Doesn't encapsulate anything

Wrong, as usual Jimmy.

A good encapsulation product that employs a combination of effective surfactants and a quality polymer package designed to attract and absorb soil WILL encapsulate soil. In fact it will do it very effectively. And with the right polymer balance, it will also release from the fiber so that normal routine post-vacuuming can work to recover the soil. And since a well balanced encap detergent should ultimately dry crisp, there's no sticky residue that can attract further soil. Some encap products may also contain a fluoro-chemical which also contributes to the encapsulation and soil resistance property of the detergent.

 

[hogjowl]

How long has this dual been going on?

Like forever?

 

[SamIam]

So what I'm seeing is Larry has a product that you buy in powder form that you add water to! Then use it like you would any other liquid product?

 

[Mikey P]

How long has this dual been going on?

Like forever?

I was there when those two met in person. Jimmy had a phoney name badge on and was too much of a grocery bagger to reveal himself.


But I think he relieved himself into his adult diapers at that moment. Meeting Ricky the Encap gawd was just too much for him

 

[Jimmy L]

Oh brother all of the marketing BS and lies regarding all of this "Encap "

 

[Bob Pruitt]

I was looking forward to the VLM webinar because I have alway thought of encapsulation as another word for shampooing. The difference is instead if a sticky residue it leaves a dry one. If you weigh the carpet before and after a powder encap like HOST, the carpet actually weighs more after it's cleaned because nothing was actually removed...in fact a cleaning product was added. For appearance cleaning I know there is a place for it but adding powder is adding...that is going in the wrong direction...IMO.

 

[Mikey P]

My special guest star will prove you wrong..

 

[Old Coastie]

Before encap and after encap vacuuming, using Releasit DS2. I was astonished how much more stuff came up and figured out that the encapsulating made the hair, fibers and soils more slippery.
The dark grey bagful is the 'before' and the light grey lump the 'after'.
Both came out of a 10-quart backpack. The lumps are about the size of a gallon jug.

 

[Old Coastie]

Right. Hit the send button before the punchline. Larry, if your product could enable that same sort of thing, I can see the advantage of a dry powder over lugging liquids. Especially when the elves decide to enjoy 'Butterfinger Monday'.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

4oz. of Encap Powder + 4 oz. of water to make 8 oz of solution.

It is very soluble.

8 oz. were used to compare to the Encap testing done earlier in CleanFax magazine.

You mix 4 ounces by weight powder with 4 fluid oz water (mixed units).

I'd guess the combination (slurry/liquid) would be less than 8 fl oz., more like 6.

How would that compare with a cup of DS2?

 

[Larry Cobb]

No "Encap" on the market is 50% active ingredient . . .

So it is more active than any "Double Strength" Encap.

Bob; the bottom line is what is removed from the carpet after repeated vacuuming . . .

 

[Jimmy L]

Leaves a DRY residue and nothing more

Take your blinders off and "SEE"

 

[Lee Stockwell]

8 fl oz of DS2 makes 2 gallons rtu juice.

How much powder to make 2 gallons RTU Larry?