Pro's Choice Last Step

[gimmeagig]

Is anybody using this product yet? My supplier tells me that this is a really good rinse. It has encapsulation and a defoamer and a ph of 4.
Sounds like something that one could use for pretty much everything.
I have been looking for a really good acid rinse and tried out different ones but so far on the low PH nothing has really stood out for me.
As far as a hi power rinses for really dirty carpets Esteam liquid performance CBS with Attack as my prespray is the one I've been most impressed with, but I have also gotten some resoiling and wickback with that combination. So I'm not sure if CBS is the rinse I will always use.
I looked through the Jon Don catalog the other day and the amount of chemical choices is just insane.
How in the world does anybody find what is really the best stuff to have on the truck?

 

[packfancjh]

As far as the "best stuff" it all comes down to a matter of opinion and personal preference. There are a ton of products out there that work, you just need to try a few and see what works best for you. Last Step is a very good rinse though.

 

[Vivers]

I personally love pro-choice products but have not used it as of yet

 

[gimmeagig]

Scent is a big thing for me in addition to all the other stuff. How does it smell?

 

[Johnny]

Pro's Choice makes excellent products. I've used them for many years. The only Pro's Choice product that I can't get to work is Last Step. It seems to not emulsify the dirty prespray, but just smears it around, leaving streaks. It has caused me a lot of extra work re-rinsing with another product.

Bridgepoint's End Zone is a low-ph rinse that seems to work well.

 

[hogjowl]

Has anyone on here ever had a supplier tell you the stuff they sell was NOT great?

 

[gimmeagig]

Pro's Choice makes excellent products. I've used them for many years. The only Pro's Choice product that I can't get to work is Last Step. It seems to not emulsify the dirty prespray, but just smears it around, leaving streaks. It has caused me a lot of extra work re-rinsing with another product.

Bridgepoint's End Zone is a low-ph rinse that seems to work well.

Interesting... Does anybody else here have a similar experience with Last step?
I was talking to someone in support at Interlink today and these are the recommendations I got from him.
Regular cleaning (including wool) Zone perfect 9.5 ph
Heavy duty Flex powder (w/citrusolve) 12.5 ph!
Enzyme cleaner Biobreak (also w/citrusolve)
Rinse Endzone neutralizer encapsulator 4.5ph
and then for recurring spots Spot Stop and for larger areas Encapuguard

Pretty complete except there is not product like the Esteamk Performance CBS in there which I have been using with much success

But I wasn't sure if the guy at interlink was just pushing Bridgestone products because of that's where they make the most money.....
I used a spotter from Bridgepoint called Stain Zone a couple of years back and it really didn't work well at all for me and that's all I know about Bridgepoint.
Is Bridgepoint a company that makes good chemicals?

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Has anyone on here ever had a supplier tell you the stuff they sell was NOT great?

Yep.

 

[Johnny]

Interesting... Does anybody else here have a similar experience with Last step?
I was talking to someone in support at Interlink today and these are the recommendations I got from him.
Regular cleaning (including wool) Zone perfect 9.5 ph
Heavy duty Flex powder (w/citrusolve) 12.5 ph!
Enzyme cleaner Biobreak (also w/citrusolve)
Rinse Endzone neutralizer encapsulator 4.5ph
and then for recurring spots Spot Stop and for larger areas Encapuguard

Pretty complete except there is not product like the Esteamk Performance CBS in there which I have been using with much success

But I wasn't sure if the guy at interlink was just pushing Bridgestone products because of that's where they make the most money.....
I used a spotter from Bridgepoint called Stain Zone a couple of years back and it really didn't work well at all for me and that's all I know about Bridgepoint.
Is Bridgepoint a company that makes good chemicals?

I've also used a lot of Bridgepoint products over the years. Never used a Bridgepoint product I didn't like, with the possible exception of BioBreak with CitrusSolve, only because it explodes when sodium percarb is added and no amount of delim will slow the reaction.

 

[ruff]

Yep.

That's called reverse trust.
Very tricky sales technique. Works like the charm with them crusty veterans

 

[John Olson]

Last step is our number one selling "rinse". Call me and pay shipping and ill send you a jug to try it for yourself. If you want more of an emulsifier while still having an acid rinse my favorite is Prochem's All Fiber Deep Clean.

 

[SamIam]

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Last step is our number one selling "rinse". Call me and pay shipping and ill send you a jug to try it for yourself. If you want more of an emulsifier while still having an acid rinse my favorite is Prochem's All Fiber Deep Clean.

Thats what I was gonna say the prochem all fiber deep clean is a good rinse also with a good scent.

I used last step once it was good to.


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[gimmeagig]

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Last step is our number one selling "rinse". Call me and pay shipping and ill send you a jug to try it for yourself. If you want more of an emulsifier while still having an acid rinse my favorite is Prochem's All Fiber Deep Clean.

Thanks John, I'll take you up on that offer, I appreciate it.
I see that you have a business selling different chemicals so here's a question about emulsification vs Encapsulation.
The rinse I often use is Esteam performance CBS which is an emulsifier. So is Pro's choice Last Step as far as I know.
So if I don't want wickback I need to get everything out even out for the pad for really bad stains. An emulsifier might actually promote wicking unless I really flush out the stain. Is that right?
You say that All Fiber Deep Clean has more emulsification and still is an acid rinse, would it be better at preventing wicking than Last Step. Sort of like my CBS only low PH?
If you had to pick between the two, which one would you choose. Is one or the there better at rinsing Olefin vs nylon?
Encapsulation will change the soil that causes the wickback into a substance that can be vacuumed up once dry I understand that, but on some of the ads I have seen it says that encapsulation is for use with a scrubber, which I don't have yet.
If I had a really dirty olefin berber carpet and I wanted it to not wickback after the cleaning, could I use a product like pro's choice ARA as a third step even though I don't have a scrubber, or would Last Step be good enough for that.

 

[Bill Morgan]

Not trying to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think I read on here Jim Martin uses or used it a while ago and liked it. Do a Search, I'm sure you'll find it.
I've used a lot of Pros Choice products and I like their products. I just haven't used Last Step yet, sorry.
I'd take John O's offer and give it a try.

Bill

 

[John Olson]

Short answer is you want Prochem's All Fiber Deep Clean. It used to be called Olefin Deep Clean until they got the woolsafe approval then they changed it to All Fiber Deep Clean. Call me and instead of last step I'll send you the All Fiber Deep Clean to try on your next olefin.

 

[Jim Martin]

Is anybody using this product yet? My supplier tells me that this is a really good rinse. It has encapsulation and a defoamer and a ph of 4.
Sounds like something that one could use for pretty much everything.
I have been looking for a really good acid rinse and tried out different ones but so far on the low PH nothing has really stood out for me.
As far as a hi power rinses for really dirty carpets Esteam liquid performance CBS with Attack as my prespray is the one I've been most impressed with, but I have also gotten some resoiling and wickback with that combination. So I'm not sure if CBS is the rinse I will always use.
I looked through the Jon Don catalog the other day and the amount of chemical choices is just insane.
How in the world does anybody find what is really the best stuff to have on the truck?

if you are going to go with a rinse......last step is the best out there...........

 

[gimmeagig]

OK, Jim goes with Last Step
John goes with all Fiber Deep Clean

Both of you guys are heavy hitters so I'm definitely going with one of those. But could you please tell me what the qualities of one are vs the other. I could have both on my truck but I'd have to know which one to use when.. Is one of them better for Olefin?
Like I said for the really grimy greasy restaurants I have had the best luck with Performance CBS, but do you guys think one of those two could replace the CBS maybe on really funky residential carpets?

 

[John Olson]

For Olefin All Fiber Deep Clean hands down my personal choice. There is nothing wrong with last step. It is a GREAT RINSE. We move cases and cases and cases of it. All Fiber Deep Clean is an emulsifier/rinse it isn't a true RINSE where last step is more of a true rinse. All Fiber Deep Clean was designed for Olefin. The story goes there was a company in Vegas using tons of it. Problem is casinos and hotels by law have to have wool or wool blend carpets because of the MGM fire in '80. The casino seen what they where using and said you cannot use Olefin "cleaners' on our wool. The company went to prochem and said this is the best stuff we have ever used we need your help. So Prochem sent it to Woolsafe to be tested. They gave it their stamp of approval and bam it is now All Fiber Deep Clean...at least that is how it was told to me or how I remember it...either way it is a good story The bets thing though is to try them both. I will give you a gallon of All Fiber Deep Clean (it cost more then Last Step) You buy the last step and pay the shipping on both then you come back here and tell everyone your experience. Deal?

 

[Steamin McFadden]

Glad I stumbled on this thread .
I've always been a fresh water rinse guy, but lately been thinking of trying some rinse , the goal being to leave carpets softer, and make cleaning easier. Was thinking of try procyon as rinse but These two seem to be real good ?
How do these two products smell? may give them a try as well.

 

[SamIam]

Both have a nice scent not overpowering,

I wouldn't call last step an emulsifier I would say its a acid rinse with a polymer to slow wicking.

The all fiber deep clean is a acid side detergent with polymers to encapsulate and slow wicking also.

Its a better cleaner probably not a better rinse to leave the hand of the carpet softer then last step.


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[gimmeagig]

Thanks again you guys. Based on the info I got from all of you I guess I'll be carrying three rinses on my truck. That's one more that i had expected but who's counting?
For the really dirty ones and commercial jobs I'll keep using Esteam Performance CBS
For Olefin and Wool it will be the All Fiber Deep Clean (I think I can use that for upholstery as well, right?)
and for anything else the Last Step
Does that sound like a good way to go?
I remember when I first started I had a jug of All Fiber in my truck but that is a while ago now and I don't remember how it was and I didn't have any experience with other rinses at the time. I'll be able to tell if it is a keeper now.
And I'm really looking forward to trying the Last Step.
John Ohlson says it's his biggest selling rinse. So I suppose I can't go wrong with that.

Thanks again, John for your advice and hooking me up with the chemicals.

 

[Mikey P]

What about powdered rinses..
Who makes a good acid side one?

 

[John Olson]

No one that I know makes a powdered acid rinse only emulsifiers. I am making an assumption it has to do with the nature of the product not being able to be turned into a powder. Someone smart then me will have to answer. Hey Forthsyte can you answer this one.

 

[gimmeagig]

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No one that I know makes a powdered acid rinse only emulsifiers. I am making an assumption it has to do with the nature of the product not being able to be turned into a powder. Someone smart then me will have to answer. Hey Forthsyte can you answer this one.

LOL, I read a post by Forsyte a couple of days ago. He sure seems to know his stuff. He might be in the wrong line of work, he should be a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon. I had to read what he wrote three times to understand a quarter of it.

 

[hogjowl]

Yep.

Well, of COURSE you have.

And Yocum is a great marketer.

 

[SamIam]

Natural fiber cleaner from CTI can be used if theres browning and your looking to pop the carpet with the bisulfite.

We use to use bisulfite by its self years ago. Cti, chemspec haitian powder all leave a bad smell. Sulfur.

Probably leave more residue then its worth.


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