Protector not Dupont or 3M based. Are they Good?

[ruff]

I tried a search and could not find it.
I know that most Protectors are either Teflon by Dupont or ScotchGuard by 3M, based. In other words they re brand them, but basically they are the same product.

However, there is another manufacturer that makes their own.

Anybody knows their name?
And the quality of the product?

 

[steve g]

I like cobbs solvent protector, its pretty reasonable for a solvent protector, to me it smells good however I have a couple customers who feel the vapors are a bit strong for them.

 

[Larry Cobb]

There are several manufacturers of fluorochemicals around the world.

Our solvent-based & water-based protectors are formulated with fluorochemicals,

that we believe to be the top performers in our industry.

Changes are being made in the fluorochemical industry as we speak.

We have also reduced the odor in our solvent-based protectors.

Larry

 

[J Scott W]

As LArry indicated, the number of raw material suppliers for fluorochemicals is greater than you may think.

Bridgepoint's Maxim Advanced is not a repackaged / relabeled product. It is the only national brand that also contains acid dye blockers to protect against food color stains such as Kool-Aid, Gatorade and so forth.

 

[joeynbgky]

I like hardballs.. www.hardballchemical.com i just got a postcad and they have some huge sales right now!

 

[ruff]

Ok Larry Cobb and or Scott Warruington or anybody else in the know.

What would you recommend in California for a very very, did I say very, expensive silk rug 20x20 that the client wants protected?

Also, I know that some people feel that there is a change in feel of the rug once protector is applied. What is the feedback that you got?

 

[J Scott W]

A solvent protector is preferred for silk. You may find a solvent based protector that is already in California on the shelf at Interlink or another distributor. (it is legal to sell what is already in stock for the next year.)

I wonder if this expensive silk rug is hanging on a wall where the main soil is from pollutants in the air or if it is being walked on, spilled on etc. If you apply a water-based protector, I would suggest Maxim Advanced for Upholstery. A light coat if this is for a rug displayed on a wall, a heavier application if it is getting real world use (I hope not).

Protectors can make a slight change in the feel of a rug. If this is a possible issue, I suggest you apply the product you choose to about 1 sq. ft. or less on the back of the rug. Allow this to dry until the next day and see if you can detect any difference in the hand (feel of the rug).

 

[floorguy]

not doing it :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[sweendogg]

Kolfer.. do yourself and your client a favor and get a gallon of Masterblend UV Ultimate. Not only is it wool safe and solvent based, it has added protection against UV fading. We have applied to many silk rugs over the years. The key is to mist several fine coats.. and not soak it down with one heavy coat. Give about 20 minutes between mists... Make sure to read label directions and don't apply this in a customers home.. as it will hurt any stone or wood floors

 

[ruff]

Haven't done it yet- Client still pondering.
It is a 20'x20' feet. On the floor. Ain't moving these monsters anywhere!

Thanks for the suggestions. I did offer the client a test.

As of last- client pondering.

You'd think that with $80,000.00 on silk rugs there will be lots of pondering :|

 

[floorguy]

youd think with 80k of rug on the ground, they would need an ASS kicking....

somepeople

i dont care how much you make....80k for SILK on the GROUND

 

[sweendogg]

^^^ completely agree!

 

[floorguy]

ohhhhh if you go back there

I WANT A PICTURE OF A F'N 80K RUG :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

 

[ruff]

It's a different world.
Practicality is not foremost in their consideration.

David, or anybody else that does silks.If you protect, I assume you brush it in.

What kind of brush do you use for silks to re set the nap?
And no brush marks?
Against or with nap direction?

 

[Nate The Great]

It's a different world.
Practicality is not foremost in their consideration.

David, or anybody else that does silks.If you protect, I assume you brush it in.

What kind of brush do you use for silks to re set the nap?
And no brush marks?
Against or with nap direction?

I've used a carding brush to reset the nap going with the lay.

 

[ruff]

It is a 20 feet by 20 feet rug!
A carding brush may take a looong time.
Any other brushes, simpler solutions?

 

[Nate The Great]

It is a 20 feet by 20 feet rug!
A carding brush may take a looong time.
Any other brushes, simpler solutions?

Yea, Paul Lucas of Chem Max carding brush that you attach to the pile lifter. Makes quick work of it. shiteatinggrin

 

[Lora Olson]

As LArry indicated, the number of raw material suppliers for fluorochemicals is greater than you may think.

Bridgepoint's Maxim Advanced is not a repackaged / relabeled product. It is the only national brand that also contains acid dye blockers to protect against food color stains such as Kool-Aid, Gatorade and so forth.

Scott...I think you forgot Prochem's Fourguard. They are a national brand that also has fluorochemicals and acid dye blockers.

 

[sweendogg]

for large stand up rugs:

http://www.masterblend.net/index.php?op ... &Itemid=82

see the larger carding brush? it attaches to a handle.

Though often on most rugs.. including silks. If you are just working a protector in or setting the nap:

We use this:

http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/produ ... sh%20broom

Just your ordinary soft nylon push broom. Does a great job! carding brushes are usually reserved for extensive pile distortion or intensive grooming.

 

[Jimmy L]

:shock:

 

[sweendogg]

ahh some old Armenian Rug secret!