FCC said:
*****This is not to bash Judson*******
Thanks Fred for not bashing Judson! We at Judson feel a little bit like Rodney Dangerfield. We just can’t get no respect.
FCC said:
Aside from Marty appearing to have lied to Les (
vortex deal fell through)............
The deal with Marty had nothing to do with him deciding not to buy a machine from me or if his
Vortex deal fell through or not. The deal with Marty is all about disrespecting the Judson name. You guys do know that we have 26 patents including the truckmount and the wand patent, don’t you?
FCC said:
Les builds a damn fine machine and has corrected what he perceives as weaknesses in others........
but...
are they really weaknesses?
If you are referring to my service advisories that I posted as finding weaknesses in a competitor’s unit, a lot of people thought I was trying to find fault in my competitors. If it came across that way, I want to apologize, but all I was really doing was finding issues and trying to make the issues known in case somebody has a unit like that so they can correct the problems before the problems cost them a lot of money.
For instance, the service bulletin about
Butlers; some people got really upset thinking I was picking on
Butler, but there were quite a few people who saw my service bulletin and I saved them from buying clutches and blowers due to excess backpressure. They don’t think my service bulletins were a slam on a competitor. Another thing about
Butler is that I have probably sold about 50 of them myself, because when someone asks me about a direct drive unit I always recommend a
Butler.
FCC said:
Although I would never consider another aluminum freshy where is the harm in aluminum waste? Mine are 20 years old and they are just fine.
We use stainless because it is the best material possible to use. It lasts virtually forever. Most aluminum tanks that I have seen have severe electrolysis inside which pits through the aluminum rapidly. I know there are some things that can be done to control this such as anodes, but we specialize in stainless.
FCC said:
Is the lower HP engine a detriment if it is capable of running the blower at spec lift/rpm? Would my blower run better with a warp drive?
It is nice to have a little extra HP in reserve. As an engine starts developing years and time it starts losing horsepower gradually. This way you will have adequate horsepower when the engine has a lot of hours on it.
FCC said:
How much air can you pull through a glided wand anyway? :wink:
Right around 200 CFM.
FCC said:
Is 500 cfm really enough to dual wand?
If not how much air can you pull through a glided wand anyway? Which blowers are capable of that at 150ft? Which engines will run them at that spec? Are parasitic losses overcome with more blower CFM at a given lift?
500 should be adequate for 2 wands. What a lot of people don’t know is that lift is what allows you to run longer hoses, not CFM. I notice a lot of people who have El Diablos with 45 blowers say they dual wand a lot and it is adequate.
FCC said:
If my longest run is a triplewide in Pratville what is the real world difference between a 408 vs. 4l?
The difference between a 408 and 4L is around $800 in cost. The 408 is a tri-lobe blower which is quieter.
FCC said:
Is the real world longevity of a stainless tank (welds :wink: ) justification for an extra 5 Gs or so given that all the other parts have less of a life expectancy? Have you improved the Kohler engine, cat pump, tuthill blower, or LG heater? Seems to me your only sales point in reality is a SS frame and tank..................plenty of other units are "simple"
I’m glad you asked this question, because this is the point I’ve been trying to get across to everyone and nobody seems to get it. There is not a $5,000 price difference between the C-4 stainless steel 150 gallon and a comparable unit using aluminum recovery tanks.
There is a $3500 - $4,000 cost to us to manufacture the stainless c-4 unit over the other unit, but we are not charging that much more for it. What I’m trying to tell everybody is that Judson is offering more truckmount for your money than anyone else in the business. We are actually making about $2500 less profit per sale because we are not passing the total increased cost on to the customer.
I would like to explain this a little bit further. If you take the comparable unit that is advertised for $18,500 and remove the extra reels and hoses that it is advertised with, and compare apples to apples; the same hose, the same wand, etc. a C-4 is advertised for $17,500 with 150 feet of hose and a wand. Once you match the accessories in both units you will see that a C-4 is only about $1,000 dollars more than the comparable unit. Stainless steel has absolutely proven itself with our design. A 30 year old tank looks just as good as the day it was new. It handles vibration better and oil canning effect that all vacuum tanks have due to increase and decrease of vacuum loads.
Judson is the original designer of the simple design. It would be awful nice if we could get credit for that.
FCC said:
Is a properly prepped and coated steel frame that bad?
I only ask cause other units have been referred to as inferior...........just wondering what the "reality" is............
Frame units have been around quite awhile. It is a less expensive way of building a truckmount. Also using aluminum as a recovery tank is about ¼ the cost of stainless. As I had stated in the other threads, I knew that there were bargain truckmounts on the market, I just didn’t realize people were really buying them until Marty made this decision. It kind of woke me up to what the market is wanting, and if that is what the market wants even though it is less expensive, even though it may not have the proven record of the Judson stainless units, we are going to offer a price alternative just like the bargain truckmount manufacturers are doing.
One thing….it will not be a welded 2 inch square tubing frame unit. It will be a ¼ inch plate base bent in a box configuration. Also, it will probably have a Mitey recovery tank with a belt-driven pump out system on it, like we have on our prototype units that have been in operation for 15 years. We have one of these units at Myrtle Beach cleaning hotel rooms and this system has actually had sand going through it for all these years. The recovery tank on this unit is actually a PVC pipe that is 4 feet long. Fred, thanks for all these questions. I hope this clears up the reality of truckmounts for you.
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