Residues after rinsing compared to encap

[Cleanworks]

We have a little debate on a facebook group over how important rinses are. Difference of opinion if it's necessary at all, or if you need an acid or an alkaline to clean thoroughly, etc. Many people think you need an acid rinse to neutralize your alkaline prespray. So, what about when you use a high pH encap and you leave the residue there to crystalize? No neutralizing at all. Doesn't seem to be a problem. Quality manufacturers of presprays and rinses are quick to say that their products dry to a fine powder or crystal. Personally, on most carpet, I use an alkaline prespray followed by an alkaline rinse. My carpets always dry with no wicking issues and they are soft. What say You?

 

[hogjowl]

Whatever anybody believes is subjective
And I don’t care

 

[Mikey P]

Always?

Probably not.


Most consumers don't know what wicking looks like and I'm brown carpets they never even see it.

 

[Cleanworks]

Always?

Probably not.


Most consumers don't know what wicking looks like and I'm brown carpets they never even see it.

We'll say on all of my repeat customers. I rarely see brown carpets. Most popular here is off white or beige. Except for commercial. Did a yellow one the other day but it was 40 years old. The only wicking I have is from stains that can't always be cleaned in one go, like blood or urine. Customer is always advised to call me if these wick.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Acid rinses are good to use on natural fiber carpet, rugs and upholstery; they can also be helpful on acid dyed nylon.

In the "poly world" we now live in, acid rinses are less important, but some formulations are helpful with wicking issues, but that's more due to additives in the formulation that restrict wicking than it is to the pH of the product.

How much residue, regardless of the pH, is more of the issue. Even with the "dry to a crystal" claims, excessive residue will still attract soil.

 

[Mikey P]

*Dry to a crystal"

So easy to prove, but have they?

 

[Jim Pemberton]

*Dry to a crystal"

So easy to prove, but have they?

That's a Tom Forsythe question, and one I am sure he'll be glad to answer.

 

[Tom Forsythe]

Soil attracting residues can be acidic, neutral or alkaline. Citric acid is hygroscopic (slow drying)can create re-soiling issues. Certain surfactants can create resoiling issues. Phosphates (acidic, neutral or alkaline) are hygroscopic (slow drying) can create resoiling issues. I know this from experiencing the difficulty of passing rigorous CRI soil resistance tests. We responded to the CRI by adding soil resistant polymers to many of our carpet pre-sprays. We have a surfactant that dries crispy which we use in both liquid pre-sprays and most rinses. I would describe good residue as dry, crunchy, crispy. I would describe bad residue as sticky, moist, touch of fragrance. All fragrances are re-soilers. I believe crystal is a misnomer as nothing dries to a precise crystal form. This is one of many words used in marketing that sound nice conceptually, but imprecise in technical terms.

For the rinse discussion I will link some short blogs recently written: https://blog.aramsco.com/learn-how-to-effectively-use-alkaline-rinses-on-carpet and https://blog.aramsco.com/learn-how-to-effectively-use-acidic-rinses-on-carpet . Whew, that saved some time.

 

[Numero Uno]

Using correct formula ratios.
Measuring Cups are your best friend in any situation.
Also your eyesight,lighter soil homes etc.
Use less prespray,rinse cleaner...
Going out to the reduce chemical incoming is not wasted trip.
If heavier soils use recommended ratios,an allow true time for agitation an dwell time.
extra passes an forced drying are key...
Like the good an bad residue example.
An fully agree on the use of the word crystal...
Reading you has me searching for past articles...
Enjoyed reading ...
Never met you but Your an asset In badly run industry...
Regards ...

 

[Nomad74]

Never met you but Your an asset In badly run industry...

Thanks

 

[hogjowl]

He’s on medication
Don’t get the big head

 

[sassyotto]

Ive been cleaning for some time now and id say about 15 years ago for a reason I dont remember I tried cleaning without any rinse. Just softened water. What I found since I switched is that when i go back (since most of my customers clean their carpet every 1 to 3 years) the carpet stays cleaner and its easier to clean. not scientific but it works for me. in fact on the Apex I had last I removed the chem pump from the water pump.

 

[steve_64]

Ive been cleaning for some time now and id say about 15 years ago for a reason I dont remember I tried cleaning without any rinse. Just softened water. What I found since I switched is that when i go back (since most of my customers clean their carpet every 1 to 3 years) the carpet stays cleaner and its easier to clean. not scientific but it works for me. in fact on the Apex I had last I removed the chem pump from the water pump.

I got tired of messing with my butler chem pump and haven't used it in almost a year. I've only wished I had it a couple times.

I may still get it working again though. Someday.

 

[Rick J]

Quality manufacturers of presprays and rinses are quick to say that their products dry to a fine powder or crystal. Personally, on most carpet,

way back in pre-dawn era, (YOU KNOW) before Mikey hopped on the VLM bandwagon.
I had begun to dip my toe in that pool. My distributor , at that time, po poed the notion. AND, they are very large. On par with any JON DON location. got al my IICRC certs at the classed they sponsored. (been expired for many a year!) They did not carry any products at all for VLM. But I guess , that may have had more to do with their customer base , who were mainly, totally HWE.
(I made them get me some products, by the way. )

anyway, I used to joke , that I am still looking for that one product that dries to a sticky gooey mess. !!!

your welcome Jimmy!

 

[Tom Forsythe]

There are many products that dry into a gooey mess out of the bottle. However, when diluted properly they will be fine. If you have a product that dries into a gooey mess, then it is a very concentrated product, which is a good thing.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Whatever you think of the company, they do have some good commercials

 

[Cleanworks]

Whatever you think of the company, they do have some good commercials

Residude, I know some guys like that.

 

[BIG WOOD]

Whatever you think of the company, they do have some good commercials

I love the cherry spray at the end. That’s gotta be the worst deo. Why would anyone put the same odor that’s in a urinal on their carpet ?

 

[Cleanworks]

I love the cherry spray at the end. That’s gotta be the worst deo. Why would anyone put the same odor that’s in a urinal on their carpet ?

Here now, it's apple.

 

[Nomad74]

I love the smell of urinal cakes.

 

[Kenny Hayes]

Omgeeee!