restorers are you RRP certified??

[steve g]

last friday I spent all day over at olsons place getting RRP lead paint certified through the EPA. I have to tell you this down right sucks and you can thank obama if you voted for him. from what I understand this program was put together while bush was in office, bush would not sign off on it, so once obama got in office he quickly signed it. it is going to mean higher costs and higher insurance premiums for everyone, it like a hidden tax that no one will see.

a few on my thoughts. the most troubling thing IMO is the micro management on how we do this. there are certain specs on where and how much plastic is used. what type of protective gear must be used, where signs are placed, how the customer is notified etc. that is what bothers me the most. its not like mold where the end result was what mattered, doing this the whole enhances is on the process. the deal effects everyone if you take anything out of a home you better worry about this. I even wonder how buildings will be imploded because they create a massive amount of dust and most of them are old, how in the world can that be contained. even if you scrape paint off the outside of the house, you can't just scrape it on the ground. the plastic has to cover a certain amount of feel past the area.

I don't see this is something that can be glossed over. Imagine a competitor coming in and looking at the job, they know about all this stuff and you don't. They give the area you just took out a quick lead test, bingo they find lead based paint. all they have to do is report it and you are in deep do do, the customer is alarmed, lawsuits and or fines may be the least of your problems. I do my jobs so that if a competitor or anyone else for that manner can look at it and find nothing wrong. there is just too much liability to not.

 

[Dolly Llama]

last friday I spent all day over at olsons place getting RRP lead paint certified through the EPA. I have to tell you this down right sucks and you can thank obama if you voted for him. from what I understand this program was put together while bush was in office, bush would not sign off on it, so once obama got in office he quickly signed it. it is going to mean higher costs and higher insurance premiums for everyone, it like a hidden tax that no one will see.

a few on my thoughts. the most troubling thing IMO is the micro management on how we do this. there are certain specs on where and how much plastic is used. what type of protective gear must be used, where signs are placed, how the customer is notified etc. that is what bothers me the most. its not like mold where the end result was what mattered, doing this the whole enhances is on the process. the deal effects everyone if you take anything out of a home you better worry about this. I even wonder how buildings will be imploded because they create a massive amount of dust and most of them are old, how in the world can that be contained. even if you scrape paint off the outside of the house, you can't just scrape it on the ground. the plastic has to cover a certain amount of feel past the area.

I don't see this is something that can be glossed over. Imagine a competitor coming in and looking at the job, they know about all this stuff and you don't. They give the area you just took out a quick lead test, bingo they find lead based paint. all they have to do is report it and you are in deep do do, the customer is alarmed, lawsuits and or fines may be the least of your problems. I do my jobs so that if a competitor or anyone else for that manner can look at it and find nothing wrong. there is just too much liability to not.

Got my cert in the mail two days ago
It's a fookin racket.


" the most troubling thing IMO is the micro management on how we do this. there are certain specs on where and how much plastic is used. what type of protective gear must be used, where signs are placed, how the customer is notified etc. that is what bothers me the most. "

as i understand it, there are no regulations on how the containment area is set up.
Just suggestions/guidelines on "how to" so you don't contaminate non work areas.

Not sure about the "micro managed" part.... while certainly a PITA if involved with property that HUD money is involved, but private owned and non gov subsidized properties don't require any "official" before and after testing.

still a PITA for an issue that's been WAY over blown IMO

..L.T.A.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

What if their is pre-existing lead from prior projects? It would be easy to get nailed for something beyond your control....or "set up" by someone in the know.

 

[steve g]

one question I have is under what authority does HUD have to regulate or enforce anything in regards to how the work happens. I didn't think HUD was an enforcement agency capable of levying fines against contractors. good lord HUD is involved in loans and certain low income housing, since when did they become the police for contractors?? this is government out of control, especially when they are setting standards higher than the EPA.

I thought the containment procedures were just suggestions although our instructors didn't act like that was the case. meat, what about the placement of signs and all that other crap, I don't even like the idea of alarming the customer that they have lead paint. the thing I wasn't clear on is, you are allowed to do certain things if it involves an emergency. lets say its a flooded basement, you are there extracting water and determine the base needs to come off to dry the walls, the base is wet and the wall is wet, shouldn't this be allowable under the emergency provision?? removal will stir up no dust.

 

[Dolly Llama]

one question I have is under what authority does HUD have to regulate or enforce anything in regards to how the work happens.

I didn't think HUD was an enforcement agency capable of levying fines against contractors.

They're not the enforcement agency, EPA is.
However HUD can and does have plenty stipulations of what can and can't be done on subsidized properties that can go beyond state and local occupancy licensing codes.

if you're not in compliance, (or don't get in compliance in a timely manner) they don't levy fines on the property owner or contractor, they abate the property ...which means... they cut off the gub'mint cheese checks to the property owner

Gub'mint cheese does come with strings attached...

I thought the containment procedures were just suggestions although our instructors didn't act like that was the case.
what about the placement of signs and all that other crap

there are no regs on how you set up containment.

I'd have to look at my manual to be positive, but pretty sure there are no regs that say you have to mention "lead" on the signs either.

I don't even like the idea of alarming the customer that they have lead paint.

that one I believe you are compelled to do.
It's the same hand out pamphlet that every new home buyer gets in their pile of paper at sale closing.

Just to cover you azz, it would probably be wise to include it with the other CYA papers you give them.
(for any dwellings built before 1978)

However, there's nothing to compel you to have outside vendor lead testing done on "non" HUD subsidized properties.

you are allowed to do certain things if it involves an emergency. lets say its a flooded basement, you are there extracting water and determine the base needs to come off to dry the walls, the base is wet and the wall is wet, shouldn't this be allowable under the emergency provision?? removal will stir up no dust.

I would think so.
But would be a good CYA move to call the EPA and ask for clarification on that..BEFORE you run into that situation .
Have them FAX or e-mail what they say and keep it on file


..L.T.A.