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Hi guys

What do guys generally use for a rinse on light coloured Berber? I have heard O2 rinses but they seem to create a lot of foam. If you use an acid rinse are you then encaping?
 

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What do guys generally use for a rinse on light coloured Berber?


same thing I use for any and every synthetic carpet..be it nylon, poly or olie
Prochem Dry Slurry for the last few years .
only thing i do different is meter more or less depending on soil conditions

I have heard O2 rinses but they seem to create a lot of foam.

if you're referring to Judson's 02 rinse (not the pre-spray) Tried it years ago , i don't recall anything unfavorable about it


If you use an acid rinse are you then encaping?

no need


are you having troubles with berber, Russ?
many do..and it's almost always due to poor wand technique.


..L.T.A.
 

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Pro's Choice Natural Fiber Cleaner will clean even synthetic berbers nicely. Plus the browning agent in the product prevents the "grey" cast berbers can get. Really makes them pop.
 

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same thing I use for any and every synthetic carpet..be it nylon, poly or olie
Prochem Dry Slurry for the last few years .
only thing i do different is meter more or less depending on soil conditions



if you're referring to Judson's 02 rinse (not the pre-spray) Tried it years ago , i don't recall anything unfavorable about it




no need


are you having troubles with berber, Russ?
many do..and it's almost always due to poor wand technique.


..L.T.A.
No problems with Berber. Just the odd stain reappearing. I thought I'd see what everyone else is using
 

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Right now I'm using Flex Ice. (acid powder rinser) like it, but I have to say the Ol' Dry Slurry is awsome. Have some Blazin Blue (Bridgepoint) i'm trying. Not bad, but don't think its as good as the Slurry.
 

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same thing I use for any and every synthetic carpet..be it nylon, poly or olie
Prochem Dry Slurry for the last few years .
only thing i do different is meter more or less depending on soil conditions



if you're referring to Judson's 02 rinse (not the pre-spray) Tried it years ago , i don't recall anything unfavorable about it




no need


are you having troubles with berber, Russ?
many do..and it's almost always due to poor wand technique.


..L.T.A.
Hey Ruff, have you tried the Liquid Slurry yet?
 

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Have used Bridgepoint End Zone acid rinse on and off for many years. Like it because it's versatile; works well on all synthetic and wool carpets. Been using Flex Ice recently for the same reason. Bridgepoint also makes Wool Zone, which actually works well on synthetic carpet.

Ps. I'm not a Bridgepoint shill. Just like these products. Also like some CTI and Cobb products.
 

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If spots are reappearing its probably not because of your rinse.
I use osr and prozyme plus combo in a two gallon pump up and treat spots pretty heavy to get it deep enough.
Brown stains are typically tannins and wick back with Berbers pretty often unless you pretreat them correctly and flush thoroughly.
I like that combo because of the other stains I often see. Spray n go is what I use to treat the spots that come back.
 
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From the multiple likes of multiple users, one may reach the far out conclusion:
Most serious manufacturers offer a good rinse that is pretty much, just as good as the other.

Far out.
 
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I was told by a few people not to bother with a rinse. As of this week o think I definitely should... possibly a really dumb question but could straight vinigar work as an acid rinse if I was just planning on making sure the traffic lane cleaner I just used didn't attract more dirt down the road?
 
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Used white vinegar some....it may wear some of the fittings over time but my gues is thats after 100 s of hours
Also use flex ice
 
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Haven't used dry slurry in many years, however I believe that's an alcaline and
May not rinse on burber......
Use a heavy acid rinse, last Berber I did I believe I used vinegar and worked great.
 

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Used white vinegar some....it may wear some of the fittings over time but my gues is thats after 100 s of hours
Also use flex ice
Oddly enough, I had a customer that refused chems to let me use only that. I was pretty surprised how well the carpets turned out. Smelled like a big pickle.
 
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If you don't use too much vinegar it will rinse well and the odor will go. Away in a few minutes
Just spray deodorize
 

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There is no "right" answer to the question of what to use through your extraction system.

Clear Water. If you run clear water, it's far better if its soft water. If you are dealing with a lot of pre-existing residue, you might find the results impressive even if you don't prespray much or at all. In line filters or "windows" in your cleaning tool will show you the amazing amount of residue that can be found in a carpet that appears not to have much, or any, residue.

..even ones you may have been cleaning previously :eekk:

Acid Rinse. Too many in our industry insist on believing that just spraying an acid treatment on a carpet after cleaning it with an alkaline cleaner removes residue. That step only neutralizes the pH of any existing detergents, but the surfactant (the stuff that could attract soil) remains. So if your acid treatment contains a surfactant too, then you just doubled your residue.

Neutralization isn't necessary on most synthetic fibers, but is beneficial on natural fiber carpets, rugs, and upholstery. That neutralization is better provided by using it in the extraction step, or applying THEN rinsing. Otherwise what you gain by dropping the pH you can negate somewhat by adding more unextracted water (which can contribute to bleeding in of itself) or residues that contribute to resoiling, a sticky or rough feel (especially on soft textured fabrics). Sometimes leaving an excessive amount of surfactant (regardless of the pH) can also contribute to color bleeding.

Running an acid through your machine may help rinse better than just water, and the presence of an acid does make the dyes in nylon and wool "pop". Acetic acid (vinegar) will help water rinse somewhat better. Usually its used in helping to stabilize the dyes in area rugs or to remove urine residues where the massive volume of water used in such application creates a need for very inexpensive acid to be used. The odor "in plant" is far easier to cope with than in a home of course.

Alkaline "Rinse": Running an alkaline detergent through your machine helps to attack remaining fatty or oily residues that traffic lane presprays may not have completely suspended. These products, when properly diluted, should not contribute to residue problems. Some of the "soap free/surfactant free/detergent free" type products do help to remove fatty and oily soils, and interestingly also help to remove pre-existing detergent residues by acting on the surfactants themselves and help them to be better rinsed away.
 

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There is no "right" answer to the question of what to use through your extraction system.

Clear Water. If you run clear water, it's far better if its soft water. If you are dealing with a lot of pre-existing residue, you might find the results impressive even if you don't prespray much or at all. In line filters or "windows" in your cleaning tool will show you the amazing amount of residue that can be found in a carpet that appears not to have much, or any, residue.

..even ones you may have been cleaning previously :eekk:

Acid Rinse. Too many in our industry insist on believing that just spraying an acid treatment on a carpet after cleaning it with an alkaline cleaner removes residue. That step only neutralizes the pH of any existing detergents, but the surfactant (the stuff that could attract soil) remains. So if your acid treatment contains a surfactant too, then you just doubled your residue.

Neutralization isn't necessary on most synthetic fibers, but is beneficial on natural fiber carpets, rugs, and upholstery. That neutralization is better provided by using it in the extraction step, or applying THEN rinsing. Otherwise what you gain by dropping the pH you can negate somewhat by adding more unextracted water (which can contribute to bleeding in of itself) or residues that contribute to resoiling, a sticky or rough feel (especially on soft textured fabrics). Sometimes leaving an excessive amount of surfactant (regardless of the pH) can also contribute to color bleeding.

Running an acid through your machine may help rinse better than just water, and the presence of an acid does make the dyes in nylon and wool "pop". Acetic acid (vinegar) will help water rinse somewhat better. Usually its used in helping to stabilize the dyes in area rugs or to remove urine residues where the massive volume of water used in such application creates a need for very inexpensive acid to be used. The odor "in plant" is far easier to cope with than in a home of course.

Alkaline "Rinse": Running an alkaline detergent through your machine helps to attack remaining fatty or oily residues that traffic lane presprays may not have completely suspended. These products, when properly diluted, should not contribute to residue problems. Some of the "soap free/surfactant free/detergent free" type products do help to remove fatty and oily soils, and interestingly also help to remove pre-existing detergent residues by acting on the surfactants themselves and help them to be better rinsed away.


Thank you for taking the time to write this up Jim....

Very nice and very well done! And very easy to read in my opinion.
 

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There is no "right" answer to the question of what to use through your extraction system.

Clear Water. If you run clear water, it's far better if its soft water. If you are dealing with a lot of pre-existing residue, you might find the results impressive even if you don't prespray much or at all. In line filters or "windows" in your cleaning tool will show you the amazing amount of residue that can be found in a carpet that appears not to have much, or any, residue.

..even ones you may have been cleaning previously :eekk:

Acid Rinse. Too many in our industry insist on believing that just spraying an acid treatment on a carpet after cleaning it with an alkaline cleaner removes residue. That step only neutralizes the pH of any existing detergents, but the surfactant (the stuff that could attract soil) remains. So if your acid treatment contains a surfactant too, then you just doubled your residue.

Neutralization isn't necessary on most synthetic fibers, but is beneficial on natural fiber carpets, rugs, and upholstery. That neutralization is better provided by using it in the extraction step, or applying THEN rinsing. Otherwise what you gain by dropping the pH you can negate somewhat by adding more unextracted water (which can contribute to bleeding in of itself) or residues that contribute to resoiling, a sticky or rough feel (especially on soft textured fabrics). Sometimes leaving an excessive amount of surfactant (regardless of the pH) can also contribute to color bleeding.

Running an acid through your machine may help rinse better than just water, and the presence of an acid does make the dyes in nylon and wool "pop". Acetic acid (vinegar) will help water rinse somewhat better. Usually its used in helping to stabilize the dyes in area rugs or to remove urine residues where the massive volume of water used in such application creates a need for very inexpensive acid to be used. The odor "in plant" is far easier to cope with than in a home of course.

Alkaline "Rinse": Running an alkaline detergent through your machine helps to attack remaining fatty or oily residues that traffic lane presprays may not have completely suspended. These products, when properly diluted, should not contribute to residue problems. Some of the "soap free/surfactant free/detergent free" type products do help to remove fatty and oily soils, and interestingly also help to remove pre-existing detergent residues by acting on the surfactants themselves and help them to be better rinsed away.
Clean free ps and rinse. Booya
 

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There is no "right" answer to the question of what to use through your extraction system.

Clear Water. If you run clear water, it's far better if its soft water. If you are dealing with a lot of pre-existing residue, you might find the results impressive even if you don't prespray much or at all. In line filters or "windows" in your cleaning tool will show you the amazing amount of residue that can be found in a carpet that appears not to have much, or any, residue.

..even ones you may have been cleaning previously :eekk:

Acid Rinse. Too many in our industry insist on believing that just spraying an acid treatment on a carpet after cleaning it with an alkaline cleaner removes residue. That step only neutralizes the pH of any existing detergents, but the surfactant (the stuff that could attract soil) remains. So if your acid treatment contains a surfactant too, then you just doubled your residue.

Neutralization isn't necessary on most synthetic fibers, but is beneficial on natural fiber carpets, rugs, and upholstery. That neutralization is better provided by using it in the extraction step, or applying THEN rinsing. Otherwise what you gain by dropping the pH you can negate somewhat by adding more unextracted water (which can contribute to bleeding in of itself) or residues that contribute to resoiling, a sticky or rough feel (especially on soft textured fabrics). Sometimes leaving an excessive amount of surfactant (regardless of the pH) can also contribute to color bleeding.

Running an acid through your machine may help rinse better than just water, and the presence of an acid does make the dyes in nylon and wool "pop". Acetic acid (vinegar) will help water rinse somewhat better. Usually its used in helping to stabilize the dyes in area rugs or to remove urine residues where the massive volume of water used in such application creates a need for very inexpensive acid to be used. The odor "in plant" is far easier to cope with than in a home of course.

Alkaline "Rinse": Running an alkaline detergent through your machine helps to attack remaining fatty or oily residues that traffic lane presprays may not have completely suspended. These products, when properly diluted, should not contribute to residue problems. Some of the "soap free/surfactant free/detergent free" type products do help to remove fatty and oily soils, and interestingly also help to remove pre-existing detergent residues by acting on the surfactants themselves and help them to be better rinsed away.


fab set rinse, and encapuguard to keep spots from coming back.
 

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