Rug Repairs - you interested?

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Taking the temperature of the group to see if there is interest in having a hands-on oriental rug repair workshop. No one teaches repairs (besides with duct tape and glue guns...) and my mother Kate and I hosted a few intensives for some in the Rug Secrets program years back. She enjoyed it, and after speaking to the Weavers Guild this past week, we thought it might be time to add another one to our year.

This would be a small class, very hands-on format, at our plant in San Diego. Our past ones were 10 people limit.

If you are interested - give me a shout here, by email, or posting on my blog in the comments section.

You do have to have a few qualities to be successful at rug repair - patience, attention to detail, an eye for color and a feel for construction, and you really do have to enjoy working with rugs. If you don't, you will hate it. The men who have trained well in this craft have had contractor skills, so an understanding of inside construction, and quality. The women generally have past sewing experience, or quilting.

Thanks for any feedback.

Lisa

http://www.therugchick.com/2010/06/rug-repair-training-you-interested/
 
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Hey Lisa, I'm actually planning to take the rug repair class at Emmanuel's in Seattle in August. Then the 3day RIA rug course in the same place. So, Thea Sands doesn't teach a good rug repair course?
 

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got a synopsis of the class Lisa... I might send someone but not for a basic end & side class.









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Nate - I did not know there was an RIA course on the calendar - where is the marketing for it? Why don't they ever advertise these things?

Thea Sand is AWESOME. You will love the class. I think they had to cancel her last one because not enough people signed up for it, and I think the price was kinda high - if they promoted it on places like here, they could easily get enough bodies. If I knew it was happening, I would have posted that info first, and then offer up a workshop for the true basics, which is what I'm gauging interest in because 80% of the repairs that come through the doors are ends, sides, and isolated field work. The cooler restoration/reweaving work makes for great photos - but that is not what's rolling in on a week to week basis. (Great photos by the way Hyde!)

We had an in-depth conversation with the Weavers Guild in our city, and we were discussing Peter Stone's new repair book - which is well-done.

My mom Kate, when she first apprenticed as a rug weaver, used the original Stone book as a guide - and then ended up dropping all of his techniques, because the gist of that book, and the new one, is on how do you hide your work to make the sale of something "undamaged" versus what repairs are needed that is structurally best for the rug in terms of longevity.

Sometimes stringing in a whole extra set of warps and wefts into a hole in a rug - though the end result may look perfect - causes strain and stress on the original construction that means it will come out over time, and create damage in the areas originally unaffected. You have a high knot count rug, and you suddenly double the warps and wefts, how can that not damage all of the surrounding areas? It's like doubling the bones in your body - two right femurs instead of one. There are always consequences to that.

But this is more of a repair philosophy conversation. Is the rug repair PERFECT because you cannot see it, or because it will last for a lifetime? Having worked with so many rugs through our galleries, and our shop, it is very rare that those in the first group also fall into the second. Dealers like to hide repairs, which makes sense.... and for them dollars... but sometimes more is needed than just to make damage "disappear."

And that comes into talking about collectible rugs versus purely decorative or sentimental value rugs.

The bulk of our repairs are for people who love their rugs and want them to last forever, versus someone trying to sell a textile for top dollar at an auction. We do a TON of patches, but doing so to prepare the areas so that if they ever decide to ship it to Turkey for reweaving with old fibers (unraveled from antique kelims from the same period) to try to make it as "original" as possible, they can. So it's two phases generally - lower price, quicker, stable repair now - that looks great AND you can walk on - and then down the road sink in the thousands, and up to a year, for the "real" work to take place.

That said, we have our repair crew close their eyes to FEEL the rug to see if they can sense where their work is. And if they can, then it needs to be reworked. Many of these visually perfect repairs - you may not see them, but you can feel them, and a stiff, slightly elevated area will get more abrasion and strain as a result.

Those of you already in the rug business, already doing repairs, the RIA classes are IDEAL for you.

Those who are at ground zero - that is what I'm thinking of offering again, because no one is serving that market. RIA is priced out of the beginners realm - and if their only other option is learning from Peter's book, then they will be only getting one side. Funny in the book, a very SLIM section on rug care and cleaning ... dealers always seem to have little interest or regard for the care of the textiles they sell. Great photos though, and a cheap book - definitely worth buying for reference. And I loved his Oriental Lexicon book.

RIA prides itself - and prices itself - as an "elite" group. I tried for years when I was on their NIRC council to get them to offer some basic courses - and eventually came out with Rug Secrets as a result because no one in their leadership wanted to reach out to the "regular" carpet cleaners or restorers not wanting to be rug specialists, to teach them the basics. But as their ranks get smaller and smaller - they have to either open up this avenue, or simply be a very educated, and very small, group of specialists.

I loved the CRS course. But I have referred some students (before my RS program with Jon-Don) who were intimidated in that environment. Spent thousands and weeks, and then did not pass the tests, and had to redo them, which was a huge disappointment - and expenses. College environment works for some, but not everyone. I'm a great test taker. But not everyone thrives in that kind of intense memorization environment. And, to be honest, just because someone can memorize and take tests well does not mean they are superb at the craft. Some of the best cleaners and restorers I know are horrible test takers. My mother would fail the CRS test - not the rug ID, because she's better than anyone I know on that, because she truly knows rugs from the inside out - but because she freezes up on tests and writing out answers, and reports. She barely got out of high school. As did most of the most highly successful entrepreneurs I know - all C and D students. :) Even my rug supervisor Andrey, who has personally cleaned over 2 million square feet of textiles, one at a time, would fail the test. English is his second language - those tests would intimidate that hell out of that big Russian General.

So, this is not a one or the other conversation. You can never have too much instruction. And while RIA is great at taking a small group of those who "know" it already farther along their path - there are a lot of others who will never take that academic, testing path. And if the rug care craft is to grow and advance, someone needs to begin training the next wave of rug care specialists to get to that point where they would even consider an RIA course.

Hope that answers your questions. This would be ground zero basics. My target is not you Nate or you Hyde - let me know how you enjoy Thea's class, I'm sure I'll hear great things.

Lisa
 

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Went to www.ascr.org - could not find a single word about the August repair event. Even the educational events page has all of the info for the past March Convention on its main page... 3 months after the fact.

For $800 in dues - and 1,000 or so members - they can surely afford to have someone update their website for $10 an hour. That really is embarrassing.

Nate - if you have the details, maybe you can post them here for everyone. Obviously there is no marketing director in the organization. And if the only advertising is happening in the magazine, then NO ONE outside of the membership knows this class is happening. Even as one of their very few CRS's ... I had no clue. I'd be a prime candidate, don't ya think?

Please share the details if you have them... I'm sure they need to sell more seats...

Lisa
 

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Ha! Found it!

Seems on the main page - if you click Educational Events - it leads you to all outdated material, but if you go through the members link THEN to events, you can find it. Wow - they need to redo their site badly. Thank goodness I'm persistent. :)

https://www.netforumondemand.com/eW...&evt_key=11bba335-5d2a-4ba3-bda3-f014f417c589

It's cheap. Lots of topics covered, so not sure how much actual hands-on goes on here, but again, RIA does quality is all they do ... except of course user-friendly easy website design. :)

Lisa

P.S. Just saw they raised their dues AGAIN - now it's at $1,000 a year. Just incredible. Same exact benefits from when they were $400 - just now they get more cash to spend on... well, I don't really know. What in the world are they thinking? How do you go from $400 to $1,000, with very little savings as a member on events versus non-members (you save about $100 on the convention...) - and not work to increase perceived value in exchange? Unless, they simply want the franchises in their ranks, and not the smaller independents - which since they are 95% restorer companies, maybe that is the strategy. Just makes no sense to me. Why become a member? It's cheap to be a non-member and buy the courses now and then at non-member prices. Am I wrong?
 

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I think the web site is designed that way so that only sufficiently patient people sign up.

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I would be interested mainly cause there's no local rug repair shops around. What would be a minimum cost of tools and supplies one would need for repairs, and can most repairs be done in the home?? Sounds interesting.

Also....what would the class cost? Got to do some planning......any excuse to head to Cali for a week is OK with me.
 

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Lisa,
The course Thea is doing for RIA is mostly ends and sides, plus some very common repairs that are needed for custom rugs. The course is designed for exactly what you mentioned, the bulk of the repair coming through the typical rug cleaning shop on a regular basis. Well, besides being the easiest repair to learn and requiring the least amount of patience to master. I think the limit for the RIA/NIRC repair course is also ten students.

Might be easier to find the info at http://www.ccinw.org since it's in our 'hood. Call the CCINW office for help if you want.

Aaron and Ellen are handling the cleaning side training and I understand have a dinner cruise and rug plant tours planned. If you can find that information posted anywhere I'd like to know too.

Seattle in August is pretty awsome, almost like San Diego in March!

I would be interested mainly cause there's no local rug repair shops around. What would be a minimum cost of tools and supplies one would need for repairs, and can most repairs be done in the home?? Sounds interesting.
The cost of materials to do common repairs is quite small, and many of the string, cord and yarn can be acquired as you need them.


PS: One thing that might explain a lack of marketing for the repair and cleaning courses is that the Rug group may modify how they work with RIA. I don't get the feeling that there is much animosity, just that the RIA has become a restoration gorilla and the ruggies are too small of a percentage to get much accomplished without taking more direct control of their program.
 

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i have stones original book honestly the reweaving part is horrible and makes me thing he rarely did rug reweaving ?
 
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Sorry for the late reply Lisa, I've been in China since June 18. Internet is slow at this hotel but whatyagonnado? I didn't mean any disrespect towards you or anyone else. I just read what you typed in a different context. The Great Oz was the one who actually told me about the classes at Emmanuel's. I believe it's good timing because I can do both classes (rug repair & 3 day cleaning course) and then do SFS all in the same 2 weeks. I just hope my head doesn't explode from too much information.

Now, I still have to find a room mate for the classes because the trip is going to cost me over $5,000 for airfare,classes,hotel,food. Not counting another 2weeks away from home. I bleed Hawaii through and through.
 

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Hey Bryan,

If it's a beginners class, that's perfect. I'll just direct the people who wrote me to the CCINW site. I'm jazzed you guys are doing this! Totally will support you on it.

I agree with RIA pushing the rug division out... Nice to see a class under $1,500 for a change, LOL.

Nate, no offense taken. Have fun!

Randy, completely agree with you on Stone. :) Lexicon is a great book though.

Lisa
 

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