Spiking encap with ammonia

AlienAgent

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Thoughts on spiking encap with an oz or two of ammonia per gallon of solution for greasy situations? I usually run Awesome, Hot Knife, or Commercial Magic.

Run it through a Cimex, then post bonnet with a 175.

I usually just run the truckmount in these situations, but, as a true hack, would like to expand my dirt grinding capabilities.
 

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Several encaps come from an ammonia base. We add an acidic encap to lower pH of one of our formulas to below pH of 9 to eliminate ammonia odor. Ammonia only at a pH of 12 will lose its odor around a pH of 9. At some point you can bring the ammonia odor back if you get the pH above 9. Just because the odor is gone does not mean that you have lost all cleaning ability from the ammonia base. This is also why acids are always good at removing urine odor since one of the alkaline salts is ammonia based.
 

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As often happens forum posts get me to thinking about the topic in a different way. Many encaps are getting more aggressive in their cleaning chemistry. Results of better cleaning are easy to see. Changes in soil resistance happen over time and not as readily apparent as the cleaning results. All of the encapsulates we formulated had multiple soil resistant tests performed to assure that carpets would stay cleaner longer (true of our original competitors as well). We use either no fragrance or a small amount as fragrance residues attract soil. Reducing this attraction uses up some of the polymer added to the original formula. Not all encapsulants have the same level of soil resistance. Encapuclean Green DS is a good cleaner but generally the residue is even better at resisting soiling. Our Encapuclean O2 is a better cleaner but resists soil at a lesser degree. All encapsulant that you use deal with this balancing act. This is not to say that new formulas neglect this balance, but passing the CRI resoiling test is not easy (we failed 3 times early in the process) unlike the extractor test comparing Rug Doctors to Truckmounts.

A lot of cleaners have taken to boosting their encapsulate with other products like a solvent booster, a bacterial deodorizer, odor encapsulate, fragrance, alkaline booster, etc. Each of these additives will change the balance of cleaning and soiling. I have often said that too much was made by the Carpet Rug Institute about re-soiling. The primary reason was that these formulas were extracted. In low moisture or encapsulation cleaning, the carpet is either bonneting or brushed by CRB. The bonneting will pick up some of the soils and product residues, but not as much as extraction. The CRB only evenly spreads the residues evenly around the soils and fibers. It is obvious to see that a re-soiling formula will be more of an issue than forms of extraction; bonneting and extraction.

How have we gotten to this point? Encapsulation cleaning is easy to do with immediate results readily apparent. Also an hour of training and most people can perform it at a suitable level. Every one who does encapsulation cleaning wants to extend it one more time before extraction, because it is so much easier. When we first came out with Encapuclean around 2005, I cleaned my carpet in my home with only Encapuclean for 5 years. At first it was great, but over time it stayed clean for a shorter period of time as it needed extraction. What would have happened if the formula was only neutral in soil resistance? It would not have worked. Encapsulation is a great process when viewed for long term maintenance and not short term maintenance.

Discusses the need for balance. https://blog.aramsco.com/encapsulation-balancing-cleaning-and-soil-resistance
Dry compound can be treated in more soiled areas to allow you to extend your cleaning cycle one more time. https://blog.aramsco.com/why-i-chan...ush-pro-dry-compound-when-commercial-cleaning
 

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Using ammonia can mess up the crystallizing polymer (providing that the encap product you're using dries down with a brittle polymer). And using a pre-spray ahead of your encap can also turn the polymer into Smucker's jelly. So you'll want to be careful to avoid either of those options.

Here's what we recommend: Encap-Clean DS2 mixes at 4 ounces per gallon. And it will cut through just about anything at that rate (and then some). If you really have a rat nasty, you can spike it up to 5 or 6 ounces per gallon, which will blast the heaviest soil loads. Another option is to use a truly compatible encap pre-spray prior to encap cleaning. Encap-Punch is an encap pre-spray that will loosen the soil. Let it dwell for a few minutes. Then using Encap-Clean DS2 at 4 ounces per gallon will cut a slice through the heavy traffic lanes.

Hope those ideas help!
 
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As often happens forum posts get me to thinking about the topic in a different way. Many encaps are getting more aggressive in their cleaning chemistry. Results of better cleaning are easy to see. Changes in soil resistance happen over time and not as readily apparent as the cleaning results. All of the encapsulates we formulated had multiple soil resistant tests performed to assure that carpets would stay cleaner longer (true of our original competitors as well). We use either no fragrance or a small amount as fragrance residues attract soil. Reducing this attraction uses up some of the polymer added to the original formula. Not all encapsulants have the same level of soil resistance. Encapuclean Green DS is a good cleaner but generally the residue is even better at resisting soiling. Our Encapuclean O2 is a better cleaner but resists soil at a lesser degree. All encapsulant that you use deal with this balancing act. This is not to say that new formulas neglect this balance, but passing the CRI resoiling test is not easy (we failed 3 times early in the process) unlike the extractor test comparing Rug Doctors to Truckmounts.

A lot of cleaners have taken to boosting their encapsulate with other products like a solvent booster, a bacterial deodorizer, odor encapsulate, fragrance, alkaline booster, etc. Each of these additives will change the balance of cleaning and soiling. I have often said that too much was made by the Carpet Rug Institute about re-soiling. The primary reason was that these formulas were extracted. In low moisture or encapsulation cleaning, the carpet is either bonneting or brushed by CRB. The bonneting will pick up some of the soils and product residues, but not as much as extraction. The CRB only evenly spreads the residues evenly around the soils and fibers. It is obvious to see that a re-soiling formula will be more of an issue than forms of extraction; bonneting and extraction.

How have we gotten to this point? Encapsulation cleaning is easy to do with immediate results readily apparent. Also an hour of training and most people can perform it at a suitable level. Every one who does encapsulation cleaning wants to extend it one more time before extraction, because it is so much easier. When we first came out with Encapuclean around 2005, I cleaned my carpet in my home with only Encapuclean for 5 years. At first it was great, but over time it stayed clean for a shorter period of time as it needed extraction. What would have happened if the formula was only neutral in soil resistance? It would not have worked. Encapsulation is a great process when viewed for long term maintenance and not short term maintenance.

Discusses the need for balance. https://blog.aramsco.com/encapsulation-balancing-cleaning-and-soil-resistance
Dry compound can be treated in more soiled areas to allow you to extend your cleaning cycle one more time. https://blog.aramsco.com/why-i-chan...ush-pro-dry-compound-when-commercial-cleaning
Yeah, but did you vacuum it during the 5 years..? You know that is the extraction portion!!! :biggrin: :icon_razz:

Just kidding. neat that you did that. considering, as well that it most likely was much different that the market segment those chems were first targeted to.
 

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Go with Release It DS2 , hydroxi, DSC Spin vac, Scots or Padcap pro and your days of heading to the Dollar store will be exclusively for Haribo Gummy Bears. (8 0z bags $1 )

Spartain Consume is an excellent respray for trashPITS & greasy grimy joints. Scots and certified both presprays that encapsulate.
 
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