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If we stopped growing grains to feed animals for the food chain and to stop feeding idiots who think grains are good for us and just let the cattle and other animals eat the natural grasses we wouldn't have to kill the land to poison everyone.

Grass fed animals are the healthiest food in the chain. And our stomachs can digest it better than grains lumes and other farmed so called foods. Animals can and should be raised humanely. We should treat our food with respect and farming today doesn't do that.



We were lead down the wrong path in the 50s and there is to much at stake to turn back now.
There's not enough grasslands left.
 
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There's not enough grasslands left.
And we didn't learn our lesson about over farming. Now we have an over population that will one day collapse and be tragic because nothing will grow in nutrient stripped soil.

The animals fertilize the land that feeds them. Its a perfect eco system that we keep destroying more of.
 
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It isn’t a perfect ecosystem. You have an artificial number of engineered livestock that have to meet the demand. It would, an has, destroy grassland at a much higher rate
 
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And we didn't learn our lesson about over farming. Now we have an over population that will one day collapse and be tragic because nothing will grow in nutrient stripped soil.

The animals fertilize the land that feeds them. Its a perfect eco system that we keep destroying more of.
I have a customer who partially owns a ranch in Alberta that specializes in raising grass fed buffalo. Small operation that humanely kills each animal apart from the herd. Pricey meat but delicious and much healthier than what you buy in the store. Just can't feed the world like that.
 
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And we didn't learn our lesson about over farming. Now we have an over population that will one day collapse and be tragic because nothing will grow in nutrient stripped soil.

The animals fertilize the land that feeds them. Its a perfect eco system that we keep destroying more of.
I used to manage several blocks of land some conventional practice others organic.

The conventional blocks got nutrients applied according to our 3 times a year sampling program.

The organic blocks got "some" nutrients applied according to our budget (organicly certified nutrients are waaay more $$$)

The organic blocks in time started out performing the conventional even though on paper they were the most neglected, the main difference wasn't the soil nutrient profile but the biological life in the different profiles.
You cant feed soil with chemicals its a short term solution with long term problems
 
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And we didn't learn our lesson about over farming. Now we have an over population that will one day collapse and be tragic because nothing will grow in nutrient stripped soil.

The animals fertilize the land that feeds them. Its a perfect eco system that we keep destroying more of.

Meateaters rule ok!!!!!!


Interesting article
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...nism-intensively-farmed-meat-dairy-soya-maize

Extract from article "
So there’s a huge responsibility here: unless you’re sourcing your vegan products specifically from organic, “no-dig” systems, you are actively participating in the destruction of soil biota, promoting a system that deprives other species, including small mammals, birds and reptiles, of the conditions for life, and significantly contributing to climate change."​
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The last remaining Festers went to a Brazilian Steak House last night. One of those all you can eat meat deals. 16 varieties of cooked critters continuously brought to your table untill you drop.
A few in our group chowed down on only meat non stop while others supplemented with a few greens

Ironically, these type of places have the very best salad bars, ever. Incredible selection of very high dollar offerings.

If only the vegetarian restaurants could do so well..
 
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I used to go out with vegetarian girl and she drove me nuts, not because she was vegetarian but she ate the most horrible processed crap..

Bottom line you can be a vegetarian or meat eater and still have a crap diet
 
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It isn’t a perfect ecosystem. You have an artificial number of engineered livestock that have to meet the demand. It would, an has, destroy grassland at a much higher rate
That's why I mention over population. We have artificially overgrown the worlds population through industrial farming practices.
 
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Meateaters rule ok!!!!!!

Interesting article
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...nism-intensively-farmed-meat-dairy-soya-maize

Extract from article "
So there’s a huge responsibility here: unless you’re sourcing your vegan products specifically from organic, “no-dig” systems, you are actively participating in the destruction of soil biota, promoting a system that deprives other species, including small mammals, birds and reptiles, of the conditions for life, and significantly contributing to climate change."​
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Here is another extract form the article at the very top:

“Opinion”

Then of course anecdote




Unless I missed it it doesn’t seem to mention that almost all of that destruction whether it be erosion by farming or overgrazing, carbon emissions, depletion, poisoning, etc is done so people can pick up wrapped meat at the grocery
 

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