Viper Venom powder

[jawhit]

Has anyone used the Viper Venom powder? I like Viper Venom for tile, but the strong butyl smell doesn't work in some of the areas I regularly clean. Does anyone know if the powder 1) has the same strong smell, and 2) is it as effective?

 

[GreenTechAgain]

The powder sucks. I mean really bad.

(Coming from someone who likes Viper Venom)

I got a full sample when it first came out.

Is it improved?

 

[ronbeatty]

I tried it several times, it does not rinse well. I went back to the liquid. Sucks would be the best way to describe it

 

[WillS]

I am a fan of this. I do like the liquid to and believe it is stronger.

 

[frresh1]

I think the stuff works great, and its way more economical than the liquid

 

[Tom Forsythe]

It still has butyl with lemon citrus fragrance, but it is not as powerful as the liquid. If you dilute Viper Venom at 1 to 4, then the Venom Powder has equal cleaning strength. If diluting at 1 to 1 for the nasties then Viper Venom will be stronger. I made a slight adjustment at the beginning, based on a couple of reports like the comments above, to add more rinse agent to the formula, but if you use extremely hard water then some of that rinse agent is bound up softening the water even at a pre-spray dilution of 1 to 32. If using an SX-15 or something similar, it is hard for me to imagine that rinse agent is necessary with 2 gallons per minute over a hard surface, unless there is something like a wax coating. We have a few national accounts who have switched to the powder over the liquid. Some advantages of the powder over the liquid are: economy, safer to handle as it is fully activated when dissolved with water, and it survives the rough handling of UPS. The Viper Venom (like all liquids) has more surfactants and solvents while the Venom Powder (like all powders) has more alkalinity. pH does not fully determine the amount of alkalinity available for cleaning. Agitation of grout lines and sustained heat are also critical factors.