VLM Cleaning without encapulation

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Why do we clean with encapsulation prespray?
Why not clean with a good cleaning prespray self neutralizing
And use a protector with encapsulate product in it.
I bet we will leave carpet with more encapsulation product on it.

It's like wash and wax all in one to clean car.
It's better to wash and then wax

What do you think?
 

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Good question.

Why not do both? Encap in the pre-spray, and encap in the final cleaning phase.

The more encap polymer that's introduced to the fiber, the greater potential there is to capture soil and hold it in suspension. Applying as much polymer as possible is definitely advantageous! The polymer is the vehicle for soil recovery during the post-vacuuming process.

Another problem with what you suggested is incompatibility. Using brand-X pre-spray in front of an encap detergent is a bad idea. Encap polymers are carefully formulated into the detergent so that they're balanced. Introducing a non-compatible pre-spray to the equation has a strong likelihood of messing up the crystallization process, and encapsulation would be compromised.

Hope this helps answer your question.
 

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And because no one can possible vacuum out all the remaining encap in a residential setting. Have you ever seen how your customer vacuums? And you aren't going to get it all out either by post vacuuming because (a) you're not going to vacuum thoroughly enough and (b) some of it won't be completely dry and ready to release so you'll be leaving crystals and mostly dust behind for the customer to breath.
 

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some of it won't be completely dry and ready to release so you'll be leaving crystals and mostly dust behind for the customer to breath.

How do you think they will actually get to breathe the encapsulated particles? Seriously. That idea is very hypothetical, and not realistic. The polymer has sufficient density to keep it grounded.

Personally, I would much rather live with encapsulated soil, than non-encapsulated soil. Wrap an onion in plastic wrap and it won't stink up the refrigerator. Same applies to soil in the carpet. Once the soil gets wrapped in plastic it becomes far less of an irritant.

Speaking of polymer dust, have you ever seen what a high-speed floor burnisher produces? There's literally a cloud of dust that gets kicked up. And that dust lands on everything in the store. Think about that the next time you bring home some broccoli from the supermarket. ;)

Our encap polymer has been deemed safe for the environment. For example, our Bio-Encap has been certified by the EPA as safe for the environment! If the polymer that we use was not considered "safe" it never would have passed the stringent protocol of the EPA's certification.
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You don't need to worry about the minuscule of amount of polymer left behind in the carpet. As mentioned, it's at the floor level. It's a far stretch of the imagination to claim it could find its way into someone's lungs. The polymer we use in Releasit is safe for the environment. It's safe for the occupant. And it's safe for the cleaning technician. :)


Henny Penny the sky is NOT falling. ;)
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Henny Penny the sky is NOT falling. ;)

Some people will hold on to their beliefs no matter what the evidence shows. If they don't want to believe in VLM as a legit cleaning method, what ya gonna do?

"Automobiles will never replace the horse and buggy"

"There will never be a black man as President of the United States"

The next to fall -(unfortunately) "there will never be a female President of the United States of America!
 

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The other factor is your carpet is much like a well forested section of land. The sticky dirt is ripped off the carpet fibers and encapsulated. The encapsulated dirt then dries and is either vacuumed away or it drops to the bottom of the carpet. Even with a big wind the dirt under the trees does not come back up and cause a dust storm. The only way to get the dirt from the backing of the carpet is to do a thorough Rug Cleaning. HWE doesn't get the dirt that is below the airflow level of the carpet.

No matter how hard you suck you will not get the dirt that has dropped to the backing to come to the surface.

Ever wonder about how much water you leave in the carpet? It is going to be the dirtiest water in the cleaning process. Why? Because it is the heaviest with the biggest dirt load and will have dropped the furthest into the carpet. So if you leave behind 20% or 30 or 40 of the water you are leaving behind significantly higher percentage of the dirt. Where does that dirt go? to the bottom of the carpet right next to the encapsulated dirt left by the VLMer.

Face it, if you are not a full on rug washer you are an APPEARANCE cleaner.
 

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Encapsulation is pure marketing BS to sell expensive scampoos.
 

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Jimmy, you're full of crap - you're not fooling anyone. The fact is that YOU use encap in your own business. If encap was all the evil that you portend, I wonder why you'd be using it yourself. Of course you always have been an enigma. :icon_razz:
 

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Just a internet salesman selling scampoo.

Don't believe in encapsulation ......never did.

Marketing BS
 

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I'm going toward using a procyon knock off and using a carpet sanitizer to bonnet clean with.

My tests show no difference in clean between them and those overpriced scampoos.
 

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The other factor is your carpet is much like a well forested section of land. The sticky dirt is ripped off the carpet fibers and encapsulated. The encapsulated dirt then dries and is either vacuumed away or it drops to the bottom of the carpet. Even with a big wind the dirt under the trees does not come back up and cause a dust storm. The only way to get the dirt from the backing of the carpet is to do a thorough Rug Cleaning. HWE doesn't get the dirt that is below the airflow level of the carpet.

No matter how hard you suck you will not get the dirt that has dropped to the backing to come to the surface.

Ever wonder about how much water you leave in the carpet? It is going to be the dirtiest water in the cleaning process. Why? Because it is the heaviest with the biggest dirt load and will have dropped the furthest into the carpet. So if you leave behind 20% or 30 or 40 of the water you are leaving behind significantly higher percentage of the dirt. Where does that dirt go? to the bottom of the carpet right next to the encapsulated dirt left by the VLMer.

Face it, if you are not a full on rug washer you are an APPEARANCE cleaner.
Or have the appearance of a being a carpet cleaner
 
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So what cleaning procedures does a "full on rug washer" use to clean carpets?

Do you un-install the carpet and stick the whole thing into a gigantic washing machine?:icon_neutral:

Have you researched rug washing? Yes putting rugs into a gigantic washing machine will get the dirt out of the backing. Kinda hard to do with wall to wall carpet...
 

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Have you researched rug washing? Yes putting rugs into a gigantic washing machine will get the dirt out of the backing. Kinda hard to do with wall to wall carpet...

I'm not an expert but certainly I know about the washing machine/pit for area rugs. I was under the impression this discussion was about regular installed carpet when you made your comment about if you don't do certain things when cleaning your an "appearance" cleaner. So do you only do area rugs and stay away from installed carpeting since you sounded offended by any cleaning method other than the deep cleaning mentioned? If you do clean installed carpet what do you do to not be an APPEARANCE CLEANER?
 

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So what cleaning procedures does a "full on rug washer" use to clean carpets?

Do you un-install the carpet and stick the whole thing into a gigantic washing machine?:icon_neutral:
You know in the 40's and 50's, that's exactly what they did. They came to your house, disengaged the carpet(which meant pulling up the carpet tacks) brought the broadloom to their plant and washed it, then brought it back and reinstalled it. Then somebody ( I think it was Truman Doyle in Santa FE Springs, CA) thought about bringing the rug cleaning plant to the customers home and cleaning on location and presto, our industry was born and we've been arguing ever since.
 

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I'm not an expert but certainly I know about the washing machine/pit for area rugs. I was under the impression this discussion was about regular installed carpet when you made your comment about if you don't do certain things when cleaning your an "appearance" cleaner. So do you only do area rugs and stay away from installed carpeting since you sounded offended by any cleaning method other than the deep cleaning mentioned? If you do clean installed carpet what do you do to not be an APPEARANCE CLEANER?


My post is directed at one of the OLD guys on here that is always calling VLM appearance scampoo cleaning.... I think we all know who Jimmy is----lol----
 
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My post is directed at one of the OLD guys on here that is always calling VLM appearance scampoo cleaning.... I think we all know who Jimmy is----lol----
All joking aside, it's hard to blame people like Jimmy who have been around the business a Long time. For years the suppliers of hwe equipment have been telling us that anything but the latest and most powerful and hottest truckmount won't clean worth shit. Anything that's not steam cleaning leaves the dirt behind. Bonnet buffing just smears the dirt around so you can't see it as well and so on. We had wars between foamers and steam cleaners. It was all about the mold and split seams and shrinkage. Both sides made outrageous statements. So now, when we have been convinced for years that hwe is the best and have invested our life savings in our equipment, you have the nerve to tell us that all we needed was a vacuum and I brush pro? No wonder some people are sceptical. I am coming to understand vlm and encap but I am in no rush to sell my tm
 
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