what benefits are there to reapplying carpet protector?

[Mikey P]

Carpet Protector Benefits:

• Makes vacuuming and dry soil removal more effective
• Creates a barrier to keep most spills from becoming stains when cleaned up quickly
• Makes future professional cleanings easier and more effective
• ?
• ?

 

[Mikey P]

Can keep warranty in compliance but we couldn't find any current examples of that

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Can keep warranty in compliance but we couldn't find any current examples of that

I don't think that's currently "a thing" anymore. I'm not altogether sure it was "required". Cleaning was (12-18 months), but I'm fairly sure that "approved protectors" were recommended, but not mandatory.

Our industry has a history of grabbing onto comments and expanding them to suit their needs.

One example was saying "The EPA requires carpet to be cleaned (fit in time slot according to home occupants and lifestyle)".

This was a study done by Dr Michael Berry, who worked for the EPA, but that wasn't an EPA regulation.

 

[Mikey P]

I'm positive I saw the language in a 3M carpet warranty brochure, over 10 years ago..

 

[Jim Pemberton]

I'm positive I saw the language in a 3M carpet warranty brochure, over 10 years ago..

If I remember correctly, Stainmaster (a DuPont product) briefly said “Teflon only” and 3M felt the need to challenge that on their end, and it might have ended up becoming generically called “approved fluorochemical” because of issues related to legalities in warranty requirements.

Bill Yeadon would remember better than me.

 

[billyeadon]

Well you almost need an attorney to answer this one. Dupont was the first company to bring out a Fith Generation nylon with acid dye resisters and they called it StainMaster. Soon after, miraculously Monsanto brought out Wear Dated, Allied brought out Worry Free , and even BASF brought out theirs. Dupont made Teflon so it was natural for them to use that. The others tended to use 3M Scotchgard or a generic version. There was some issues about using Scotchgard on StainMaster and other claims but they never went any where. The issue is really a topically applied Fluorochemical will never replace the quality of mill applied product but it will be better than nothing. A quick story: I was at the MidSouth Convention late 80s and the question popped up about spraying Scotchgard on an olefin carpet (olefin was huge at that time and I worked for Bane and we were the warranty company for all this crappy olefin) I said no it wouldn't stick and why would it need it as it was already stain proof. Lee Pemberton stands up and said it would help to prevent some of the oily staining. After that if Lee was going to take a position on something I wasn't going to argue. I still believe that today.

So basically is it a wonderful product? Probably not but better than a naked carpet fiber and instead of olefin not we get to deal with polyester and it does a good job of repelling acid dyes on its own but can still use some help on oily spots.

 

[Mikey P]

Well you almost need an attorney to answer this one. Dupont was the first company to bring out a Fith Generation nylon with acid dye resisters and they called it StainMaster. Soon after, miraculously Monsanto brought out Wear Dated, Allied brought out Worry Free , and even BASF brought out theirs. Dupont made Teflon so it was natural for them to use that. The others tended to use 3M Scotchgard or a generic version. There was some issues about using Scotchgard on StainMaster and other claims but they never went any where. The issue is really a topically applied Fluorochemical will never replace the quality of mill applied product but it will be better than nothing. A quick story: I was at the MidSouth Convention late 80s and the question popped up about spraying Scotchgard on an olefin carpet (olefin was huge at that time and I worked for Bane and we were the warranty company for all this crappy olefin) I said no it wouldn't stick and why would it need it as it was already stain proof. Lee Pemberton stands up and said it would help to prevent some of the oily staining. After that if Lee was going to take a position on something I wasn't going to argue. I still believe that today.

So basically is it a wonderful product? Probably not but better than a naked carpet fiber and instead of olefin not we get to deal with polyester and it does a good job of repelling acid dyes on its own but can still use some help on oily spots.

but...


did any mils ever demand that a protector be reapplied to maintain their (BS) warranty?

 

[Tom Forsythe]

The mill protection diminishes over time as a result of traffic, vacuum brush agitation (beater bar) and cleaning. Fluorochemical wears off more readily through frictions and the acid dye resistor is remove more readily through cleaning. The secondary market protection replenishes the base protector. The degree of replenishment is determined by the frequency and volume of application. Recently, I have heard that some of the carpet mills have stopped applying a fluorochemical in manufacturing. Darrel Hagen of Shaw stated that they have already made the transition.
My wife has retired and we have been making some cosmetic changes to the house. We were looking at nylon samples. I took them to the lab and tested for water and oil repellency. Fortunately, my wife chose the Karastan which has excellent oil and water repellency. However, if she had chosen one of the others, then I would have applied our Maxim Advanced to the new carpet. Has anyone else heard about these changes?

 

[billyeadon]

The mill protection diminishes over time as a result of traffic, vacuum brush agitation (beater bar) and cleaning. Fluorochemical wears off more readily through frictions and the acid dye resistor is remove more readily through cleaning. The secondary market protection replenishes the base protector. The degree of replenishment is determined by the frequency and volume of application. Recently, I have heard that some of the carpet mills have stopped applying a fluorochemical in manufacturing. Darrel Hagen of Shaw stated that they have already made the transition.
My wife has retired and we have been making some cosmetic changes to the house. We were looking at nylon samples. I took them to the lab and tested for water and oil repellency. Fortunately, my wife chose the Karastan which has excellent oil and water repellency. However, if she had chosen one of the others, then I would have applied our Maxim Advanced to the new carpet. Has anyone else heard about these changes?

Tom yes I have heard the same report from the same place. I just didn't want to be the first one to state that. Thanks

 

[Cleanworks]

I just did a job today on 3 year old Kraus nylon carpets. They have a lifetime warranty in a homeowner residential setting. The carpets cleaned up beautifully, except for the bleach marks everywhere from the Tennant's using chlorine bleach to disinfect their doorknobs, etc. There were lots of food spills, they all came out with just a prespray and rinse.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

I expect we will see more bleach stains from disinfection efforts for some time

 

[ruff]

Carpet Protector Benefits:

• Makes vacuuming and dry soil removal more effective
• Creates a barrier to keep most spills from becoming stains when cleaned up quickly
• Makes future professional cleanings easier and more effective
• ?
• ?

• Will keep your friendly carpet cleaner in business longer.

 

[Andy]

This was a study done by Dr Michael Berry, who worked for the EPA,

Who found an article written by jeff bishop. Who was an industry expert at one time. The government doesn't study anything they copy what others have said.

 

[Hack Attack]

I expect we will see more bleach stains from disinfection efforts for some time

was talking to a friendly competitor yesterday (he knows what he's doing) but he's got to check a commercial building that got disinfected after he cleaned... white blotches everywhere apparently

 

[Willy P]

I expect we will see more bleach stains from disinfection efforts for some time

Time to break out the dye kit and make some dough. I just hate neutralizing bleach.

 

[BIG WOOD]

Carpet Protector Benefits:

• Makes vacuuming and dry soil removal more effective
• Creates a barrier to keep most spills from becoming stains when cleaned up quickly
• Makes future professional cleanings easier and more effective
• ?
• ?

You're good at soft selling if those 3 benefits aren't enough

 

[Hack Attack]

Carpet Protector Benefits:

• Makes vacuuming and dry soil removal more effective
• Creates a barrier to keep most spills from becoming stains when cleaned up quickly
• Makes future professional cleanings easier and more effective
• ?
• ?

keeps your carpet looking its best between its maintainance cleans

helps to get maximium life out of your carpet so it ages gracefully

 

[Mikey P]

keeps your carpet looking its best between its maintainance cleans

helps to get maximium life out of your carpet so it ages gracefully

Sales slogans, not hard facts

 

[Numero Uno]

When correctly applied -Peace of Mind for both you and your client.As Bill Said it was crazy during the stain master years.Still have the stain master test box -lol.But it is better then nothing and if you are using a high quality and truly applying correctly...Its great...When clients know they have a fighting chance to remove a omg stain-yes...