What do you want out of a "sealer"?

Mikey P

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Im testing a new product that I hope achieves these goals..

  • Works on fabric, carpet, stone and grout
  • Solvent base
  • Little to no odor
  • Affordable
  • No residue if left on tile to evaporate
  • Cost effective (cheap)
  • And maybe most importantly, can be mopped on tile and grout to save labor costs
  • ...


Did I leave anything off?

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I used CR-10 back about a year ago. I couldn't tell a difference between that and cobbs.
 

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No residue to me means no solids, only carrier.

OK for dense surfaces

Any nano technology in there?, now there some impressive stuff.
 

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I would add water base as the primary feature, especially as I am getting samples for the next generation C-6 solvent fluorochemical. The raw is made with T-butyl acetate and in low VOC states the carrier will be T-butyl acetate (VOC exempt). There is no loss in performance, but the odor is overwhelming and the flash point is no longer 120 degrees F, but around 60 degrees F. I cannot imagine the odor when it is put on an entire floor, plus the need to turn off all gas pilot lights during application and turning them on after the odor has dissipated. It does dry really fast and for upholstery may be doable if you apply it outside on the patio.

You can make a case for the need of a solvent protector for upholstery as a water based can cause shrinkage or puckering for some high end fabrics. What is the performance case for using a solvent instead of a water base on a hard surface? Efflorescence can be an issue for colored grout, but some water based are designed to limit it. My point is that the next generation solvent based protector has two significant issues that the current versions do not. Any decisions made today will have to be re-evaluated once current supplies run out.
 

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I would add water base as the primary feature, especially as I am getting samples for the next generation C-6 solvent fluorochemical. The raw is made with T-butyl acetate and in low VOC states the carrier will be T-butyl acetate (VOC exempt). There is no loss in performance, but the odor is overwhelming and the flash point is no longer 120 degrees F, but around 60 degrees F. I cannot imagine the odor when it is put on an entire floor, plus the need to turn off all gas pilot lights during application and turning them on after the odor has dissipated. It does dry really fast and for upholstery may be doable if you apply it outside on the patio.

You can make a case for the need of a solvent protector for upholstery as a water based can cause shrinkage or puckering for some high end fabrics. What is the performance case for using a solvent instead of a water base on a hard surface? Efflorescence can be an issue for colored grout, but some water based are designed to limit it. My point is that the next generation solvent based protector has two significant issues that the current versions do not. Any decisions made today will have to be re-evaluated once current supplies run out.


Ease of use and water base dont go hand in hand, unless you have a trick up your sleeve.

Slop, mop and walk is what were looking for.

As prices have been driven down, most customers wont pay for on your knees, applicator bottle type sealing processes.
 

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Ease of use and water base dont go hand in hand, unless you have a trick up your sleeve.

Slop, mop and walk is what were looking for.

As prices have been driven down, most customers wont pay for on your knees, applicator bottle type sealing processes.

My wrist are shot from working on my hands and knees. I'm just learning the process of sealing grout lines but i can see how much better the products are that are just for grout lines. I didn't feel Cobb's had much water repellency. Not like viper grout and concrete sealer anyway.
 
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Tom Forsythe

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Slop, mop and walk is what were looking for

Unfortunately the ease of application will have to be weighed against the flammable and obnoxious odor of the sealer. The customer does not care about the ease of your application if you force an obnoxious odor into their house. Also I am not sure how they will respond if you have to turn off their pilot lights and turn off their heating and cooling systems so you can more easily apply a highly flammable solvent instead of a safer water based product. T-butyl acetate is not a pleasant odor. We are not sure if we will even sell solvent based protectors when the old C8 material runs out. T-butyl acetate is exempt so it can be used in all states if that is the only solvent. However if you cut it with OMS, Alcohol, etc., you will have to review the VOC law of the 18 states to see if it is legal. I have started to look into the new generation C6 solvent based polymer and I do not like what I seen thus far. A California version is not anything we want to consider for either hard or soft surfaces as T-butyl acetate would be the only solvent in the product.
 

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