What's the Worst Thing You've Done to Carpet?

Ruined or Couldn't Save Carpet?

  • Yep, screwed one up so bad I had to buy them a new carpet

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Jim Pemberton

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It seems some people in the carpet manufacturing industry think that the reason so many consumers have gone over to hard surfaces is that carpet cleaners routinely "ruin" carpet, or at least are unable to clean carpet to any level of the customer's satisfaction.

No stories about "the other guy", especially the "wet for days" thing, please.

I mean something YOU'VE done SO badly that the carpet had to be replaced because of what you did, or you couldn't get it to look any better no matter what you did.

If you've got the guts, give us the gory details of what went wrong.
 

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a common one for me, actually I did this 2 days ago is trying to get that extra 1/8" out of the carpet with a knee kicker, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip if you have done it you know what its like.
 

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But you weren't cleaning it Steve.

Remember, the "conventional wisdom" out there is that the cleaning industry as a whole is so terrible that we make people hate carpet and want tile, laminate, wood, etc.

Its all our fault :?
 

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I sure f'd up plenty during my early Miller's days.


pH shift was a daily occurrence.
Who knew Selson Blue was was a 13.5?



in our first week of training they had us sleep through a Dane Gregory CCT class and I failed miserably on the test.
 

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Early in my career I had a basement wall-to-wall, salt and pepper polypropylene to clean. It had been wet and had a brown water mark about 20 feet long at a diagonal across the carpet. Couldn't clean the mark out, tannin stain removers didn't work, peroxide made no difference. Tried a little chlorine bleach and the mark was gone. Applied bleach to the entire line and watched the mark fade away, along with every black fleck in the carpet. Only the black flecks were nylon yarns.

Fortunately the adjuster understood that they would be replacing the carpet if I hadn't used bleach, so a no charge for the service was OK.
 

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in our first week of training they had us sleep through a Dane Gregory CCT class and I failed miserably on the test.

I don't want to derail my own thread, but I think you are every trainer's nightmare. Though sleeping is likely better than what you did to Aaron Groseclose. We'll save that for another thread.

Back to the confessional.......
 

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in my early days i pre-sprayed the carpet then went to put the MultiSprayer back in the truck & noticed i had left the gallon jug of RV antifreeze in it.

1 of the great things about cleaning up north somewhat amus

cleaned it out best i could...looked great at least.

no charge.
 

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EASY ONE...
it's where i sucked the round spot of carpet bare to the jute.....
and the old bitty DIED on me!
 

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had one where I had black death on a white carpet. I had just started using a oil burner for heat and it was malfunctioning; spiking the heat. I replaced that one, but consider that equipment failure rather than something I did.
Had one where they Rug Dr'd a Dining Room, it wicked so bad it went from baby blue to brown. I over sold my service. Couldn't get all the brown out, and the LR was bleached out in areas, preexisting, so he wasn't happy with the end result. I ended up giving him a 50%discount.
 

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bob vawter said:
EASY ONE...
it's where i sucked the round spot of carpet bare to the jute.....
and the old bitty DIED on me!


This is my favorite MB story, when I tell other carpet cleaners the story, they all say I Lie.
 

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Mike Draper said:
[quote="bob vawter":1pksqlwf]EASY ONE...
it's where i sucked the round spot of carpet bare to the jute.....
and the old bitty DIED on me!


This is my favorite MB story, when I tell other carpet cleaners the story, they all say I Lie.[/quote:1pksqlwf]
Ohh it's true...and the BEST part of all was that it was my very FIRST job and im sitting in a cop car!!!!
 

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Hey Bawb

Please take your "homicide by carpet cleaning story" over somewhere else. You're screwing up my thread.
 

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Jim Pemberton said:
It seems some people in the carpet manufacturing industry think that the reason so many consumers have gone over to hard surfaces is that carpet cleaners routinely "ruin" carpet, or at least are unable to clean carpet to any level of the customer's satisfaction.

No stories about "the other guy", especially the "wet for days" thing, please.

I mean something YOU'VE done SO badly that the carpet had to be replaced because of what you did, or you couldn't get it to look any better no matter what you did.

If you've got the guts, give us the gory details of what went wrong.

Nothing uncorrectable has happened in the last 30 years and I have very few complaints for thousands of jobs at a time now. Once about 30 years ago I presprayed a cotton carpet with a Castex emulsfier which must have been a really high pH detergent (or something) and the lady said it made "slash" marks from the wand that bleached or took the color out. I suggested I have it dyed for her but I never heard back from her. The one time I sent chimps out, in 1975, they put the upright piano onto the middle of the wet living room carpet and let it bleed. Afterword they got hold of my handy dandy Ramsey spotting kit to remove the red wood stain and noticing there was nothing chemically available to remove it they used the wire brush that was in the kit which did remove some of the red as well as the wool fibers. Eventually I turned it over to my insurance company who, after a few months time decided I was at fault and they wouldn't pay for it.
 

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Thank you for bringing this thread back on track Art.

Cotton carpet and Castex Emulsifier? I thought I was the only one old enough here to remember using that stuff and actually cleaning wall to wall cotton.
 

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I thought you'd like that, Jim, as well as mention of the Ramsey brand. But the point of your post is well taken. It is rare to hear of problems by professional carpet cleaners that result in replacement of carpet in this day. Companies that do that with any frequency are very quickly removed from the market.
 

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Jim Pemberton said:
in our first week of training they had us sleep through a Dane Gregory CCT class and I failed miserably on the test.

I don't want to derail my own thread, but I think you are every trainer's nightmare. Though sleeping is likely better than what you did to Aaron Groseclose. We'll save that for another thread.

Back to the confessional.......

How bout sooner than later Jim.. This story I HAVE to read!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Steve G: been there done that a couple of times. expecielly when I was younger. I didn't have the teeth set low enough.. thank god for napping shears and koolglide. In one repair, the lady was using a mop and glo type cleaner on the entrance vinyl and it literally weakend the latex enough that even a small pump and ripp.. fortunatly I did not own that problem. She could see the weakened carpet. (and what really sucked was we were all out of bendable tap down metal so I had to cut my own tap down for curving.) 1 hour of working the metal transition strip and 2 mintues with a kicker. kaboom. I had to power stretch 3 feet from the metal to gather enough material to push into the metal tap down to put it back..

As far as cleaning related issues, people have tried to tag us for some of their problems. But yet to ruin a carpet with our cleaning. Taking the time to understand the chemistry and precondition the customer of prexisting issues is very important.

I don't really see alot of the mills we deal with complaining about the cleaning so much as they pushing that there are not enough people having their carpets properly cleaned. If Homeowner Joe goes 5 years without cleaning and trashes his carpet and complains to the mill saying his carpet did not perform, the mill still has money invested in sending an inspector out to check on the problems. And even if he finds the homeowner liable for his own problems, the inspector still has to be paid by the mill.

The mills largest enemy is its own consumers who aren't being educated well enough about the products they are purchasing by the stores or installers who are selling them. When you have stores who are telling their customers their carpets should never be cleaned, or customers who think a rug doctor is doing a good job of cleaning their carpet and like wise, homeowners who tried to remove stains with bleach. You are going to have complaints about faily products. Let alone lets not discuss vacuuming, or even proper install.

Our industry as a whole needs better representation from the time of sale to the intall to the cleaning. If you want programs like SOA to work, you can't lump the Rug dumper in with professional cleaning. And forget certifiying individual cleaning companies as SOA. And forget the synthetic NASA soil. You need REAL testing data with real soils.

And if the IICRC wants to help the industry then the industyr needs to fork up some money to get the public press they need to educate customers. National campaigns, larger internet presence, magazine adds.. I see how they are linked to the good housekeeping homepage in plain site.. thats a plus.. then they advertize the Rug Docter being SOA GOLD approved... bamm a head shot to any credibility.

there are sooo many consumers who don't clean their carpets. I can't find the survey but it was something like 6-8 people out of 10 never have their carpets professional cleaned. Obviously cost is always going to be an issue and when they only see it as a luxory instead of a needed service, it gets bumped. I know our industry is trying to push a postive image by trying to combat the allergey/ asthma issue, trying to push for better standards and regulations regarding installation and product usage. But until the mills stop making carpets that lasts 3 years or so cheap that it sells for .50/sqft, and the industry as a whole moves to improve the value of the product from sales to install, it will be dificult for consumers to justify a quality cleaning service as well. Not when a quality cleaning can sometimes be 10% of the cost of material or more.




And Jim Cotton wall to wall is back.. being made by Nourison, even jute backed. We've sold a couple of jobs to date, its fun to install since it stretches like many of the older jute backed carpeting, and has a real nice hand to it. Most cases its a blend of wool and cotton face fibers, but they have one or two pieces where its a cotton face 100%.
 

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David

You understand the point entirely. I'll cut and paste most of your message for my upcoming philippic.

For ANYONE to attempt to blame the cleaning industry for the diminished value of carpet when most of it is never touched by a cleaning professional in its lifetime is absurd.

Thank you VERY much.

"Great" (sarcasm intended) news about cotton carpet. Everything old is new again.
 

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Years ago, back when I first started, I used to do exterior house washing along with all the usual stuff we do. I sent a crew to do a house full of carpet and they used the sprayer they'd just bleached a house with. About a day later I got the call.

Had to replace the carpet.

Now I don't do exterior washing.
 

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ok the other worse thing was back in my rainbow days when they still pushed wall to wall carpet dying. The problem was the later generation nylon carpets would not take die all the way to the base of the fibers because of the carpet protector. this lady wanted her canary yellow carpet dyed a bluish green, which was kinda an instyle carpet back in the mid 90's. so we sprayed on the dye with a portable and trigger wand, color looked great. only problem was the dye flat out would not take down to the base of the fibers. I remember putting dye in the mix tank of a scrubber and litterly dumping dye on the carpets, by the time we left we had a water damage instead of dye job. the problem was is if you walk on it just right when it pushed the fibers down you could see yellow from the base of the fibers peaking through. we tried everything putting the dye on scalding hot, adding acid to the dye bath, we added dye penetrant. nothing worked it was all bullshit.
 

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My Techs have screwed up a couple of times over the years, mainly on Fabrics and Rugs.
I cannot think of a carpet that we ever had to replace.

One time I was doing an Insurance claim - stain removal and picked up a bottle of Formic acid
instead of a small bottle of a solvent - oops, created a small hole but fortunately it was an empty condo and I was able to steal enough fiber to fill the hole.
 

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In one of my first attemps with an osilator machine I had a carpet tip bloom on me. I was lucky it was a small room so it wasn't too bad to have to replace it.
 
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We've replaced 1 carpet, our tech usedd a strong oxidizer that interacted with makeup htat was all over this persons master bedroom and bath.


The meanest I've ever been to a carpet yeilded little results. The photo is the best we could do, sadly it looked like this when we started.

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Sometimes there's nothing left to do

It was our 2nd attempt on 1500ft of white gcd olie Berber. After our techs failed the day before, I decided to take 2 guys and lots of determination. We dueled it at 1000psi and used 380 gallons after many scrubs and chemical baths.

I used:
2.5 gallons of stripper, 4 gallons of purple power, 3 gallons of 127 volume peroxide, 2-3 lbs of powdered oxidizer, 4-5 lbs of Attack, 2 gallons of Ultrapac renovate, 1 quart of pigout, and 2 gallons of Hotknife, 2 red pads, tried a stripping brush, and 7 bonnets
 

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Out Of Character said:
We've replaced 1 carpet, our tech usedd a strong oxidizer that interacted with makeup htat was all over this persons master bedroom and bath.


The meanest I've ever been to a carpet yeilded little results. The photo is the best we could do, sadly it looked like this when we started.

Samsungphonepics003.jpg


Sometimes there's nothing left to do

It was our 2nd attempt on 1500ft of white gcd olie Berber. After our techs failed the day before, I decided to take 2 guys and lots of determination. We dueled it at 1000psi and used 380 gallons after many scrubs and chemical baths.

I used:
2.5 gallons of stripper, 4 gallons of purple power, 3 gallons of 127 volume peroxide, 2-3 lbs of powdered oxidizer, 4-5 lbs of Attack, 2 gallons of Ultrapac renovate, 1 quart of pigout, and 2 gallons of Hotknife, 2 red pads, tried a stripping brush, and 7 bonnets

There is only one thing you forgot to do when it was all done and dry... You should have painted it white!!!
 

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where is the "none of the above" button?

I think the worst thing I've ever done to a carpet is to NOT educate a custy well enough to know that cleaning once every 4-6 years whether it "needs it or not" might not be suitable.

That or letting them continue to shop at hack stores that couldn't install a carpet properly if their lives depended on it.

I swear I have one local co. here that, no joke as so as I walk in I can say with a fair bit of certainty, "Oh I see you shop at XXXX Carpets?" solely based on the wrinkles in the carpet. But in fairness they do have a 100% satisfaction guarantee on all of their installations :shock: , BUT how many times does a custy really wanna empty a room out and have it re-stretched?

Don't get me wrong the store owners are great folks, but custys will only be inconvenienced so much. Saw wrinkles at one lady's home mentioned their guarantee to them, she says "yeah, they've been out three times so far (in like 5 years) I would NEVER buy from them again!"

Yeah, we're the problem.... :roll:
 

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JB hit one perception problem on the head. Terrible installation because the retailer doesn't want to explain the extra cost of doing it right. Lousy installer blames cleaner, gets backed up by retailer as they both try and dodge responsibility. We've actually done a fair amount of commercial work on double-stick installations where one retailer's installers told the business owners that the carpet could only be cleaned with Host because they knew their installation was horrible. The carpet was coming apart at the seams before cleaning. The manager of the carpet showroom wasn't interested in knowing about it, because the customer would have to deal with the installer to get it fixed.

At a floorcovering association meeting with the topic of handling claims, they made fun of the mill rep's, installer's and retailer's penchant for blaming each other. Cleaning never came up, so at least they realize that (in a group setting) blaming cleaners wouldn't fly.

Remember though, that most maintenance related issues occur in the commercial cleaning arena. By a huge margin that carpet is not cleaned by carpet cleaning specialists, but by janitorial or in-house staffing. They are hampered by a lack of training, poorly maintained or the wrong equipment, and often use chemistry not designed for carpet. Building management contracts for services based on lowest bids and get what they pay for, which is why DuPont experimented with selling maintenance along with commercial carpet. Too bad they also quickly fell into lowballing on the cleaning end.
 

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Remember though, that most maintenance related issues occur in the commercial cleaning arena. By a huge margin that carpet is not cleaned by carpet cleaning specialists, but by janitorial or in-house staffing. They are hampered by a lack of training, poorly maintained or the wrong equipment, and often use chemistry not designed for carpet. Building management contracts for services based on lowest bids and get what they pay for

EXACTLY!

But we get put at the forefront because, by and large, we do not stick up for ourselves and allow this type of misinformation to go unchallenged.

The point I wanted to make in this poll is that even most of your worst competitors aren't causing carpet replacement or massive dissatisfaction with carpets' performance. Its at the institutional level, not the professional level.
 

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