I've talked to him on the phone several times. My take: smart, in a streetwise (not book) sort of way. Charisma out the yingyang, a little lost on me, but I liked him.
I suggested he be a little less bombastic and abrasive, but that's just who he is. I think he is just a bit gullible for his idols, but Lisa W has helped him more than he probably knows.
My wife admires Lisa after her presentations at MF in Nashville. I do too. I may end up being less rough on Pirhana, especially after her leading the needed charge on corruption in alphabet soup land.
I'd guess Joe in person may not be all that bad.