WHO's REALLY IN THE LEAD???

[green guy]

I have been listening to alot on this site. There is alot of talk about equipment vortex vs everybody else ect... Let me ask a question, in cooking what is the most important element in preparing an incredible meal, the size of the kitchen? Of course not! It is and will always be the actual ingredients. Im wondering if any of you guys feel cheated by your "Chemical" suppliers knowing that 80% of that gallon of pre treat ect... is actually petroleum based fillers. I got tired of running pure low end gargbage through my expensive equipment. As for the vortex Im about 100% in securing commercial accounts over our local meat head. We are starting a $20,000 clean at a local upscale Hotel that I took from a vortex. Our carpets stay cleaner longer. Our set up ought to get smaller and more sophisticated. There is a new generation of well educated industry pro's that render "Big" and toxic as sophmoric and outdated. So who is really in the lead?

 

[Chris A]

wow first post eh?

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Ah the smell of curry...

 

[green guy]

I love curry and yes its my first post and no Im not an Indian

 

[Desk Jockey]

It's not the machine, but the man.

 

[Bruce Humphrey]

We've already been down this road twice, next topic please.

 

[Jeremy]

Well, welcome aboard Green Guy!

 

[rhyde]

Im wondering if any of you guys feel cheated by your "Chemical" suppliers knowing that 80% of that gallon of pre treat ect... is actually petroleum based fillers.

Actually most cleaning products 90% -95% water with 10% fillers and active ingredients. Who's in the lead.... how do you measure that? some guys here like Ken Snow have monthly gross income more than most guys yearly gross. Then theres the quality of life issues working your ass off odd hours of the day 7 days a week doest make one successful IMO....

 

[green guy]

thanks for the welcome. thanks also for the correction. the 80% thing sounds better though

 

[Ken Snow]

I agree with Randy except for our income- it is more like per week :-). This is not profit just gross income before any expenses. Actually my expenses per week are prob more than most income in a year ~ oyvey!

 

[Mikey P]

I don't recommend that braggarts where swishy pants.. :shock: ..

 

[Desk Jockey]

Ken I only want your profit, you can keep your expenses! :wink:

 

[Ken Snow]

I love my Nylon sweats!

 

[rhino1]

200% more mental stress trying to find a place to park it!

That being said, I tend to drool thinking about owning one someday! Practical or not. I never heard of anyone buying a Mercedes because it was practical.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Shawn have you had any thoughts about a redesign to a smaller package to compete with Butler, Hydramaster and Cleanco?

 

[rhino1]

200% more mental stress trying to find a place to park it!

That being said, I tend to drool thinking about owning one someday! Practical or not. I never heard of anyone buying a Mercedes because it was practical.

The Vortex is about 3 foot longer and a couple of feet taller than a 250 Ford cargo van. How much space do you need? I'm sure BLUEline/Sapphire can build one as tall or as short as you want - but expanding spacial parameters isn't on the engineering list until next month. Thom told me himself.

The Vortex is the most practical machine on the market today for many businesses. Is it practical for your business? I don't know.

Do you have a 401k?

What does a 401K have to do with it?

 

[hogjowl]

Oh Lord ... I knew somebody would have to ask that.

Let the DAP's begin.

 

[Ken Snow]

I don't get how the machine has anything to do with having energy at the end of the day or how the machine would take less muscle to operate. Now that I have been off the road for years, I find I have much less energy at the nd of the day than I did after cleaning my arse off all day with a POS Genie1. It may have to do with the fact that I'm fisty now and not 20-25. :-)

 

[XTREME1]

Ken age is a factor. There is alot more thinking and that can be draining but most of all I am sure you have trouble sleeping which would be the real problem.
You need to spread the money more evenly

 

[Dolly Llama]

So who is really in the lead?

care to share who/what YOU think is in the "the lead"?

not that I disagree that bigger isn't always better...cause "bigger" generally comes with bigger costs.
it you can't utilize the capacity on the majority of your jobs, it's doesn't make $en$e as a practical matter
But we've debated the dollars and $en$e of it here many times ad nauseum

so I'm much more curious of what method(s) and chems you use.
I'm also curious if you sell them or just recently have been sold on them

Thanks


..L.T.A.

 

[Bob Savage]

Whoever has the vison to see what will be needed in the future, will be in the lead.

I do think the "bigger is better" concept may start to fade away a little, as we all realize that it cannot always continue to be "business as usual" in our economy.

I have attended many CC gatherings these past 20 some years, and have always enjoyed the look, smell, and roar coming from those big truckmounts being demoed out in the parking lot. It was always a good time.

That's also back when gasoline was 99¢ a gallon.

Being earth friendly in as many ways as we can without going overboard about it, is the wave of the future.

You will see more electric and other types of CC truckmounts. They will be smaller, but will still pack a wallop to dirty carpet.

They will not be over-engineered, but will be simple, practical, and reliable.

 

[Bob Foster]

I think Terje is on the right track.

 

[Dolly Llama]

You will see more electric and other types of CC truckmounts. They will be smaller, but will still pack a wallop to dirty carpet.

They will not be over-engineered, but will be simple, practical, and reliable.

Bob, you've mentioned your over driven blower propane (?) gas TM before.
and I ASSume most everyone that has been around the boards for awhile know you manufacture ans sell a 'lectromount

I'm curious though... of the vans you have on the road, which one gets the most hours in a typical year?

thanks

..L.T.A.

 

[Erik]

For the amount of physical energy invested by the operator - the Vortex will clean more square foot of carpet than any machine on the market today. It is UNBEATABLE by ANY machine on the market if your priority is to still have energy to play with your kids after work and not take on any more jobs.

It cleans the same amount of carpet as any machine on the market does - but it requires 71.2222756% less human muscle tissue to do it.

If you combine a Vortex with a Zipper, you'll even be able to play with the neighbor kids when you get home.

 

[Desk Jockey]

Really?

I would think a smaller platform would move many more units.

Knocking out some of the draw backs of the current Vortex (the box, under powered vehicle, DOT) would make me think a smaller mini-me would be a instant hit. :?:

 

[Jim Martin]

I am one of the most skeptical people out there when it comes to equipment/tools and things like that. It is hard for something to get my attention...But... Until you use one and can see what it can do for you and your bottom line .....you will never get a good grasp on what this equipment can do for you...I was in the same boat as most when I first heard about this machine and would be the first in line to call bull shit every time the subject came up.....I finally got tired of listening to Mike all the time and decided I was going to see for myself.....Found one in MN...Flew up there..cleaned with the guy all day long...flew back to Tucson that night and 3 weeks later flew back ..bought it..and drove it home....Changed a few things...put it on the asphalt...sold my small van and never looked back....One of the best things I have ever done for my company...
The UD just turned 100k yesterday and I am coming up on 4k on the machine and they are both just now getting broke in....If you know how to run a business and know where you want to be in 5 years down the road and have what it takes to get you there...this equipment will help you do it......

 

[Burtz]

so a Aerotech and a vortex just about the same thing? Just starting out here and just the lease payment on oa decked out Butler or other cds is not that much more than one or these two machines.

 

[Burtz]

I don't want to get caught up in a turf war between vortex and aerotech I was just making a cost lease comparison

 

[Bob Savage]

I'm curious though... of the vans you have on the road, which one gets the most hours in a typical year?

Larry,

We put about the same amount of hours on each truckmount we have.

We have 2 of them.

 

[bob vawter]

dollar for pound...the BEST cleaning machine ever...

sorry i'm sold out right now though...........