I know many here will roll their eyes on this one, as it has been hashed over many times.......but there are always new products coming to market. I'm a Baner, so I use their powered detergent & booster in the tank and their Preface for my prespray. I have recently decided to expand my customer base and I'm doing some marketing that is getting me into some homes where the carpet has not had too much attention, and I'm looking for something with a little more punch. I clean at about 155-165 at that wand (remember Bane Clene unit, in the south) any sugestions? I have heard alot about this O2 system, but coming from Judson......I assume I would need some heat to activate the chemical process, and that aint happening with my system.
You best Combo for everyday residential cleaning??
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Art Kelley
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You will get your most dramatic increase in cleaning results by incorporating a 175 to your process for those more difficult jobs. You probably wouldn't need to change your present chemical line.
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
Your working pressure is closer to 50 psi (when the trigger is pulled).
We got much better results by prespraying all chemicals and clear rinsing.
We got much better results by prespraying all chemicals and clear rinsing.
hogjowl
Idiot™
Judging by the fact that your profile states you are located in Tennessee, I would assume that your market is much like mine. That being the case, I would not recommend you encorporating a 175 into your mix, as you price points may not support the extra time required. Prespraying with dwell time, like Lee says, would be your first good choice.
A really decent TM might be you next.
PS The Judson chenical line is a good line, but if you have a distributor in your immediate area, I would recommend you give him a visit first.
A really decent TM might be you next.
PS The Judson chenical line is a good line, but if you have a distributor in your immediate area, I would recommend you give him a visit first.
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
Jon started working as manager at BP in Nashville back when we still ran Banes. I was actually surprised that he bought Bane after his exposure to the rest of the industry. The typical Baner is a newbie or isolated from the TM mainstream.
Mikey P
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A few minutes with a 175 will save you far more time then it would take to let things dwell and dwell and have to wand and wand and wand to get so and so results.
joeynbgky
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Jonee said:
Go see john at the cleaners depot, he always helps me. And if you still can't get it clean, umm call me and i'll send one of my Tm's out.
sometimes u need more suck and heat :mrgreen:
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Mikey P said:
Bingo..
Hey Everyone,
As Lee stated I have been in the industry for a while and even have worked on the distributor side. When I decided to get back into cleaning 5 years ago, my focus was going to be only high end residental and some nicer commercial. I have owned a Hydramaster, Prochem, and my last "side in" was a White Magic 1800 (best preforming machine of them all). With my business plan of only focusing on the nicer homes, the Bane was a perfect match and has done a great job! Most of the homes I go into really are not that heavly soiled.........sometimes I'm just cleaning for health reasons or becuase a designer or manager says its time. Many of my customers are in the music industry, entertainers, producers, support, etc. As I mentioned, I'm expanding my focus and my advertising is getting me into some homes that have not been touched. They are nice newer upscale homes, but the owners have not placed much value in using outside services, until the carpet is showing spots. The Bane has allowed me to market to a very unique group of clientel and the marketing behind the Bane has also been a good thing............sometimes its easier to sell a product or service "With a Story"
I use a Orbital machine for my commercial jobs, and have used this tool as a post pad in some situations. I' m just looking for a chemical system with a little more punch, that rinses freely. Thank you all for your comments!
-Jon
P.S. Over the past 15 years I have acquired Host Liberator, Conqueror Breeze, and a Von Schrader Dry Foam Machine
As Lee stated I have been in the industry for a while and even have worked on the distributor side. When I decided to get back into cleaning 5 years ago, my focus was going to be only high end residental and some nicer commercial. I have owned a Hydramaster, Prochem, and my last "side in" was a White Magic 1800 (best preforming machine of them all). With my business plan of only focusing on the nicer homes, the Bane was a perfect match and has done a great job! Most of the homes I go into really are not that heavly soiled.........sometimes I'm just cleaning for health reasons or becuase a designer or manager says its time. Many of my customers are in the music industry, entertainers, producers, support, etc. As I mentioned, I'm expanding my focus and my advertising is getting me into some homes that have not been touched. They are nice newer upscale homes, but the owners have not placed much value in using outside services, until the carpet is showing spots. The Bane has allowed me to market to a very unique group of clientel and the marketing behind the Bane has also been a good thing............sometimes its easier to sell a product or service "With a Story"
I use a Orbital machine for my commercial jobs, and have used this tool as a post pad in some situations. I' m just looking for a chemical system with a little more punch, that rinses freely. Thank you all for your comments!
-Jon
P.S. Over the past 15 years I have acquired Host Liberator, Conqueror Breeze, and a Von Schrader Dry Foam Machine
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Jonee said:
In the age of Green Clean, any carpets that have not been maintained need a boost. I remember when a traffic lane cleaner actually got the traffic lanes cleaned. On the nasties, best bet is a butyl booster unless you want to apology for leaving it dirty .
Art Kelley
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james cooper said:
Oh Jeez, here we go. Nobody needs to use butyl or any toxic chemicals that WILL cause you health problems just because you are ignorant of better safer methods. I use Grease Eraser and a fresh water rinse which when mixed at the higher concentration they recommend will take care of any soiling you run into. Cobb's makes a similar product as do others. Why mess up your health just to make a living? My father did that selling chemicals to the auto industry, my brother did that at AC Delco. They're both dead because of it. Thats so unnecessary.
encapman
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Mikey P said:
I agree with Mikey. Agitation is KING. Good agitation can be useful with any HWE cleaning system. A quick pre-scrub doesn't take all that much time; and following the agitation step - the rinse step can be performed more quickly (so you'll get back the time invested with your agitation step). Adding better agitation is a plus, especially in situations where there may be limitations to the effectiveness of the rinse step.
Art Kelley
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Jonee said:
Yes, I have done it every day at thousands of houses for many years. No residue problems. The problem you may have experienced is following their mixing directions which call for 18 oz of powder in a 5qt 9-1 standard HF. I wouldn't use that much unless it was a worst case scenario. I use 3 oz in an untipped 4-1 HF and that will usually cover a whole house of 5-6 rooms normal soil. Not much product necessary. I will have a couple trigger sprayers handy with more concentrated TLC for heavy spots and lanes as needed.
Art, I just might give it another try.......I dont use the Hydro-Force anymore, now I use a pepsi sprayer, so in a gal of hot water how much would you add? So let me get this straight, you dont use any other presprays, just a light dilution of this CM Grease Era. and rinse with clear water? Have I got that right
-Jon
-Jon
Art Kelley
Supportive Member
That's all I use, although the trigger sprayers will have a liquid TLC because they're easier to mix in a small amount (1-2 oz per qt).Jonee said:
I don't use anything but a HF but I would imagine the proper amount of GA powder is 1-2 oz per gallon of hot water in the pepsi sprayer. The HF tends to flood the carpet with more water that a pump up or pepsi sprayer so you would need to use a higher concentration than I do.
Lee Stockwell
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I use a lot of Sunshine, but I'm not impressed with their Grease Eraser. One $5 gallon of Mean Green from Dollar General outcleans it in side by side tests.
Jon have you tried Bane's stronger stuff, like TLS 2000? pH 12.5 and around $25 per gallon.
Jon have you tried Bane's stronger stuff, like TLS 2000? pH 12.5 and around $25 per gallon.
hogjowl
Idiot™
Welp ... since you're targeting the high end, then you should be able to use the 175 to prescrub without breaking the bank ... especially if you run a two man crew. Owner operators, who are adveraging $100 per hour, or less, are adding just about 50% more time to a job (if they have no help) when they use a 175. So, it's just not profitable. For you, it could well be, not only profitable, but a great addeded benefit for you.
Of course, with a really great prespray, and adequate dwell time, this added 50% job time could be avoided ... if you are working alone.
PS Screw you Mikey.
Of course, with a really great prespray, and adequate dwell time, this added 50% job time could be avoided ... if you are working alone.
PS Screw you Mikey.
Art Kelley
Supportive Member
Lee Stockwell said:
If a job is done and it's perfectly clean using Grease Eraser, how can it look better by using some cheap dangerous butyl filled crap? I'm only interested in using things that are safe to breathe over many years of constant use.
Lee, I do use that for those olefin berbers, and commercial..........just a little concerned about using 12+ ph on stain resist nylon, expecailly where I'm not using fresh water rinsing and instead using a PCA 5 & booster in the tank.
Marty, Maybe John G. has a soft agitation brush I could use on my CCS machine, I have a grout brush for it, but it looks a little stiff for carpet. I guess I could get on craig list and find a 175 swing machine.
Marty, Maybe John G. has a soft agitation brush I could use on my CCS machine, I have a grout brush for it, but it looks a little stiff for carpet. I guess I could get on craig list and find a 175 swing machine.
hogjowl
Idiot™
I'm not aware of a soft brush he has for it, but a red or green scrubbing pad will do fine. You'll have to break the green pad in on some rough concrete first. The OP machine is much slower than a 175 ... so just beware of the time considerations.;
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I find using a rotary with tank to apply preconditioner (when needed) is just as fast as preconditioning with my electric sprayer. If it's a nasty polyester with 72 grease spots I hate having to bend over with the fels-naptha 72 times so the rotary makes alot of that a whole lot easier.
steve frasier
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according to the bane clean times and the e news letter I get, all you really need is thier chemicals and machine and you will be fine, heat isn't needed
are you saying that isn't correct
are you saying that isn't correct
Sorry, I will have a full house that that week, providing everyone shows up. Just let know if you would like to get together for a meal, it would be my honor to welcome you to TN. I can call down and see if Mr. Patel has a room for that date if you would like? You can come with me to pick up Craig Jasper at the airport.
Steve, my Bane system does a pretty good job, I'm not "Banewashed" I know its limitations.......but it does what I bought it for and I have only replaced a couple brass fittings in my 5 years of ownership........Lord only knows what I would have spent maintaining a gas slide in. I have to go a little slower then you A & V owners.........but I'm in no hurry these days, just want to do the best possible job fro my customers.
Steve, my Bane system does a pretty good job, I'm not "Banewashed" I know its limitations.......but it does what I bought it for and I have only replaced a couple brass fittings in my 5 years of ownership........Lord only knows what I would have spent maintaining a gas slide in. I have to go a little slower then you A & V owners.........but I'm in no hurry these days, just want to do the best possible job fro my customers.
harryhides
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What is it like to be a 40 yr veteran in this business and to be getting "advice" from a young, pig farmer that can't afford a hotel room. Jon ?
This is what I saw on the wall of one customer whose carpets I cleaned in Nashville - very nice lady.
This is what I saw on the wall of one customer whose carpets I cleaned in Nashville - very nice lady.
Wow, look at the swirl marks on the piano. What a shame. I see a lot of highend black cars that look as bad or worse than that.
I bet people don't notice until they are pointed out and made to pay attention to. That is just careless and stupid.
The op machine on the other hand.......is a beauty.
I bet people don't notice until they are pointed out and made to pay attention to. That is just careless and stupid.
The op machine on the other hand.......is a beauty.
