Hybrid Electric TM 16" of Lift

[Larry Cobb]

For those interested in performance . . .
here is a photo I took of the Hybrid TM while it was in final testing
Quiet . . . and 16" of Lift . . .

Next one is going in 100 MPG Van.

 

[GeneMiller]

That's awesome Larry. I can't wait to see it in a hybrid . Do you think it will work in this. I was thinking about putting a 370 and running around just for spots. Plenty of room for a few D cells.

Gene

 

[dgardner]

Cute! What is that, a Daihatsu?

 

[dgardner]

was in final testing

Was? so final testing is complete? Where's all the pics of the finished unit?

Yeah - I thought so....

 

[Papa John]

in what why is it a hybrid? what is the Power system.. very interesting-- keep us posted Larry.

 

[GeneMiller]

Cute! What is that, a Daihatsu?

Subaru. Make for the European market based on the steering wheel. Delivery trucks like this were common when I was in Italy. They zoomed in and out of the tight streets and alleys.

Gene

 

[Larry Cobb]

in what why is it a hybrid? what is the Power system.. very interesting-- keep us posted Larry.

Runs off the lithium batteries in a Via Van.
http://www.viamotors.com/vehicles/electric-van/

Since the 15 HP electric motor is 92% efficient, overall operating costs will be unsurpassed.

The 100 KW Generator should come in handy for restorers also.

 

[dgardner]

The 100 KW Generator should come in handy for restorers also.

Misleading, Larry. The 100 kW is available only for charging the batteries. The currently available power for external use is limited to 14.4 kw, and the Via site says 30A circuits. At that rate you won't even be able to run your 15hp motor.

Their site says a 50kw module is in the works, you might be stuck until then......

 

[Larry Cobb]

Dan ;
The 100 KW generator is already there.
50 KW convertors are available . . .
Wait and see . . .

 

[dgardner]

Wait and see . . .

Eagerly waiting!

 

[Papa John]

Keep me posted Larry-- I've been dreaming of such a TM If it works....

But I think those vans can only be leased. The van can only drive 40 miles per day max--If the TM also uses the Battery power then that reduces the Miles/day. hopefully you found a way to overcome these drawbacks... I was wondering If adding a couple more Alternators would help with the charging?

 

[Larry Cobb]

John ;

The Hybrid van has an unlimited range since runs on both the lithium ion battery pack and a V-6 gas engine.
The lithium pack will operate the TM for ~3 hours without running the engine.
30 GM dealers are signed up to bring them in for fleet customers.
Many incentives are available in different states and other areas of the country.
Chicago had some incentives over $20K, in addition to federal incentives.

 

[NobleCarpetCleaners]

and the replacement cost for that battery/pack?

 

[Papa John]

WOW! nice incentives... I spend about $40/day on each Van.. so that's a lot of financial room to work with.
I noticed that the van is also a plug-in hybrid, so I can power up to the customers power grid if needed..

 

[Bob Savage]

If you can get that all to come together, that would be awesome. I'm concerned about the cost though for all of that setup. There won't be any savings if the initial cost is high. Keep us posted.

 

[Papa John]

I'm Sure IT will be SOLD at a hefty premium vs standard equipment. hopefully there are Tax Credits..
But it goes with one of my mantras-- "Be the Solution- Not the Problem"

 

[Dolly Llama]

"Be the Solution- Not the Problem"

not sure how TAX dollars subsidizing products that aren't competitive in the market place is a "solution" to anything ...'cept making us more broke and in debt than we already are


just a thought.....


..L.T.A.

 

[Royal Man]

Couldn't all the expence and weight of lithium batteries be replaced with a $25 power cord from clients home to van?

 

[GeneMiller]

I believe he's going to run a 3 phase motor like the tesla does.

Gene

 

[Papa John]

not sure how TAX dollars subsidizing products that aren't competitive in the market place is a "solution" to anything ...'cept making us more broke and in debt than we already are


just a thought.....


..L.T.A.

You Got me on My "Flank" Larry-- didn't think of it from THAT angle---- But in a way, the Credit would be subsidizing R&D dollars to find alternative forms of energy cost.
I wonder what the true cost of fossil fuels would be IF the cost of our Military were adding in.?

 

[Papa John]

Couldn't all the expence and weight of lithium batteries be replaced with a $25 power cord from clients home to van?

Now THATS just too simple--- go somewhere else with that logic..

 

[dgardner]

Without getting into the age old argument as to whether electric vacs (centrifugal) can match the performance of a roots-type blower, any TM-class machine like Larry's will require around 15 kW to run - and the absolute theoretical power you can get from one $25 cord is less than 3 kW (2400 watts).

 

[Papa John]

Without getting into the age old argument as to whether electric vacs (centrifugal) can match the performance of a roots-type blower, any TM-class machine like Larry's will require around 15 kW to run - and the absolute theoretical power you can get from one $25 cord is less than 3 kW (2400 watts).

I'm So Glad to have you on MB...
So a PD blower would need at least 5 cords? or how any AMPs?

 

[dgardner]

Something like that, except there's no easy way to combine cords to feed a single big motor. You would need a dedicated two pole 60A breaker to feed Larry's VFD motor drive.

 

[Larry Cobb]

This single cord runs the Hybrid TM at full output (~18KW).
Slightly more power than a 50amp 230AC Electric Range in a house. (edited)

 

[dgardner]

This single cord runs the Hybrid TM at full output (~18KW).
Less power than a 50amp 230AC Electric Range in a house.

Larry are you creating energy out of thin air? As you well know - amps times volts equals watts (not taking into account power factor).

My calculator says 230 X 50 = 11500 watts (11.5 kW)....

 

[Ed Valentine]

I am still scratching my head in regards to using a 220-240 v. outlet to run a electric ETM. In an effort to take a step above the other guy (so to speak) are we not forgetting that there is a potential Operator Liability situation here? Moving washers, driers, ovens..................................

And, if we are referring to operating it off a generator (99% of the time), I would suggest to any potential purchaser to go buy a gasoline TM and be done with it.

After all these years in the manufacturing business, I highly suggest that "we" keep improving what we know (common sense) in terms of design, engineering, and efficiency rather than trying to re-invent what will never be practical. Seems as though most have forgotten how design really matters rather than the amount of components.

BTW, my comments have nothing to do and is not directed at any particular individual. Rather to the industry as a whole.

Anyways;
The very best to all;
Ed Valentine
cross-American corp.

 

[Zee]

Larry are you creating energy out of thin air? As you well know - amps times volts equals watts (not taking into account power factor).

My calculator says 230 X 50 = 11500 watts (11.5 kW)....

Dan....you failed to calculate the fact that everything is bigger in Texas. I'm disappointed in you....

 

[dgardner]

Lol.....

 

[Bob Savage]

I am still scratching my head in regards to using a 220-240 v. outlet to run a electric ETM. In an effort to take a step above the other guy (so to speak) are we not forgetting that there is a potential Operator Liability situation here? Moving washers, driers, ovens..................................

And, if we are referring to operating it off a generator (99% of the time), I would suggest to any potential purchaser to go buy a gasoline TM and be done with it.

After all these years in the manufacturing business, I highly suggest that "we" keep improving what we know (common sense) in terms of design, engineering, and efficiency rather than trying to re-invent what will never be practical. Seems as though most have forgotten how design really matters rather than the amount of components.

BTW, my comments have nothing to do and is not directed at any particular individual. Rather to the industry as a whole.

Anyways;
The very best to all;
Ed Valentine
cross-American corp.

Ed-

Larry is talking about using Lithium Ion vehicle batteries, nothing to do with moving any washers, dryers, stoves, or using any generators.

Larry is also talking a 3-phase motor, not a single phase motor. No home, and very few businesses have 3-phase power available.

3-Phase power is usually found in industrial parks, etc.