SCOTCHGARD,TEFLON,MAXIM,FOURGARD ?

[The Great Oz]

Fluoro-protectors are all pretty much similar products with some variables: the amount of polymer in the dilution; the amount of acid-dye resistor in the dilution; the choice of carrier. There are always trade-offs, as a product with more polymer might provide better stain resistance at the risk of making the yarn stiff, or the dilemma of choosing between giving the customer a better product with acid-blockers or using one that beads well so is an easier sell. Price doesn't matter as long as you charge more than it costs.

Last week a beautifully packaged demo kit arrived from a Norwegian company touting their fiber Protector 547. It has the distinct advantage of being from Norway. The marketing stuff claims it's better because it's "nano-based." DuPont scientists laughed, calling it the chemical marketing equivalent of "turbo" razor blades. It doesn't smell like salt air or spruce forest or blonde fashion models either, just smells like acetone.



PS: Ofer, if your customers are sensitive about protectant, remind them that their carpet had it applied at the factory. Although the wool producers downplay the need for protectants, chances are wool wall-to-wall got a dose before it left the plant as well.

If you really want to mess with them, tell them that any fluorochemical residual in their body didn't come from textile protectants. It came from their cereal/potato chip/cake mix bags. Keeps the product fresh and makes it slide out cleanly! Might be doing the same for them.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Last week a beautifully packaged demo kit arrived from a Norwegian company touting their fiber Protector 547. It has the distinct advantage of being from Norway. The marketing stuff claims it's better because it's "nano-based." DuPont scientists laughed, calling it the chemical marketing equivalent of "turbo" razor blades. It doesn't smell like salt air or spruce forest or blonde fashion models either, just smells like acetone.

I read the same stuff from the same company, and came to the same conclusion.

Thanks Bryan

 

[Jimmy L]

Marketing BS.......just...............like.................encapsulation..............SCAMPOO.

 

[Mikey P]

DuPont scientists laughed, calling it the chemical marketing equivalent of "turbo" razor blades. It doesn't smell like salt air or spruce forest or blonde fashion models either, just smells like acetone.

Is that your cleverness talking or do you actually have a Dupont contact...

Isopropyl, not acetone

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Scientist rarely laugh Mike.

The just chuckle condescendingly.

Don't worry about whether or not "nanos are real". Your protector program has excellent marketing support, and the tests that I did at The Experience shows that it will perform in a way that you can apply it with a good conscience.

The world is full of marketing hype for things that still have value:

I always liked this quote:

"There are three things that promise more than they can deliver: The smell of freshly brewed coffee, the sound of freshly baked bread crust crumbling under the knife, and the sparkle in a woman's eyes"

....all promise more to our emotions than they truly deliver, but I'm not prepared to live without any of the above.

Let it be the same with your protector.

Apply it freely, and all will be well.

 

[Desk Jockey]

and the sparkle in a woman's eyes"
....all promise more to our emotions than they truly deliver, but I'm not prepared to live without any of the above.

Who needs coffee or bread.

 

[The Great Oz]

Is that your cleverness talking or do you actually have a Dupont contact...

Dupont had two scientists at their booth at ISSA. I got a card from the one in the protection racket, so I could say I have a contact. I doubt I made enough of an impact that he'd be willing to talk candidly to me on the phone though.

In person, away from the crowd, an honest guy will usually give you honest information, and I take advantage of that whenever I'm cruising a tradeshow.


PS: They did laugh. Out loud. I'd like to think it was my presentation, although maybe they thought my question was serious and they were laughing at me.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Dupont had two scientists at their booth at ISSA. I got a card from the one in the protection racket, so I could say I have a contact. I doubt I made enough of an impact that he'd be willing to talk candidly to me on the phone though.

In person, away from the crowd, an honest guy will usually give you honest information, and I take advantage of that whenever I'm cruising a tradeshow.


PS: They did laugh. Out loud. I'd like to think it was my presentation, although maybe they thought my question was serious and they were laughing at me.

Chemists live in their own universe. We that use their formulas are but small children, or amusing little monkeys playing with trinkets.

 

[Mikey P]

Dupont had two scientists at their booth at ISSA. I got a card from the one in the protection racket, so I could say I have a contact. I doubt I made enough of an impact that he'd be willing to talk candidly to me on the phone though.

In person, away from the crowd, an honest guy will usually give you honest information, and I take advantage of that whenever I'm cruising a tradeshow.


PS: They did laugh. Out loud. I'd like to think it was my presentation, although maybe they thought my question was serious and they were laughing at me.

Beeker Fags no doubt..

 

[dekeil]

http://www.newenglandtruckmount.com/testing-fabric-protectors.html

Look here for a test, green guard vs max

Looks like green guard won?

 

[Mikey P]

6000 ft per rtu gallon?

I think that defies mathematics..

 

[dekeil]

6000 per gallon

 

[Mikey P]

So undiluted?



Even a .50 tip puts out 12 ounces in a minute So how would that be possible?


Does Barry Allen need to apply it?

 

[dekeil]

8001

 

[Desk Jockey]

Applying it to new carpet doesn't seem like a realistic test. Why wouldn't you apply it to used carpet?

 

[Mikey P]

8001

An 8001 tip with a 40 PSI pump will put out roughly 14 ounces per minute. That means in 9 minutes your gallon jug would be empty.


Can you walk over 6000 feet in 9 minutes?

 

[Mikey P]

thats what I like about this Fiber Protector company.


no bullshit claims.

 

[Larry Cobb]

Interested in water based for carpet with great dilutions.
Instead of 4 to 1 , something more concentrated with acid dye ?

We have a 20-1 Water-Based Fluorochemical.

http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78&products_id=1005

 

[Nate The Great]

We have a 20-1 Water-Based Fluorochemical.

http://www.cobbcarpet.com/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78&products_id=1005

What tip and psi recommended?

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Still needs 5 gallon to cover 1000 sq ft Larry?

 

[Mikey P]

The Texas drought must be over..

 

[Desk Jockey]

No you just apply it over a week's time, due to water rationing.

 

[Larry Cobb]

What tip and psi recommended?

A gallon will cover 4000 sq.ft. of carpet .

Dilute with only enough water to spray carpet uniformly.

I would dilute to 10 gallons and spray at 400 sq. ft. per gallon,

with an #8003/8004 jet @ 40 PSI.

 

[Scott S.]

Jim Pemberton,

Any tests on fabric protection??

 

[Jim Pemberton]

I did some tests for the presentation I gave at The Experience in Vegas.

The most important results I found were this:

1. A good fluorochemical protector when applied to new or just dusty fabric (that is vacuumed before application) will make it easier and safer to clean later. The difference in how much less color bleeding and browning issues exist in protected fabric is amazing.

2. Residue is a bigger issue than we want to think about. Fabrics that I cleaned with hot water extraction, but that I went "a little heavy on the prespray" or "slung suds" with shampoo were difficult to rinse without overwetting. Dry tools, by their nature, can't rinse out detergent that soaks to the back of the fabric. These materials didn't perform well after the protector was applied.

3. Encap products don't interfere with protector IF they are removed by absorbent towels and an orbital buffer. I wanted to see what happened on some office chairs that were typical of what we might clean with encapsulation. Those that I "scrubbed and ran" on, and then vacuumed when dry, did not perform well when protector was applied after the dry vacuum step. On the other hand, those that I went over with a towel wrapped around an orbital buffer not only looked cleaner, but when protected, resisted spills as well as something that was thoroughly rinsed.

 

[steve_64]

So sometimes it works good sometimes it doesnt?

Kinda how ive always felt about protector.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

So sometimes it works good sometimes it doesnt?

Kinda how ive always felt about protector.

Steve, the protector works if you prepare the surface that will be protected properly. Other than that, the only failures would come from a customer with an expectation greater than the protector's ability to peform.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

Put the very best floor finish on a floor covered with stripper residue...and it will fail.

 

[steve_64]

Ive always heard protector works best when carpet was rinsed with an acid rinse. Is applying protector after rinsing with an emulsifier pointless then?

What if I dont use a prespray just the rinse?

I understand its about residue but how can we "know" we have removed enough residue for the protector to work.

 

[Lee Stockwell]

The mills I've toured always massively RINSE the finished carpet before applying protector.

The many drums of product from Shaw Chemical really piqued my curiosity, but I was too polite to get closer to them.