jkowalski
Member
My rant on the current state of affairs. Enjoy.
http://www.servicemonster.net/2015/03/30/association-roadmap-of-the-future/
http://www.servicemonster.net/2015/03/30/association-roadmap-of-the-future/
Association Roadmap of the Future
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hogjowl
Idiot™
I'm sorry, but I really don't care. I don't mean that in a mean way. I just don't care. Associations have nothing to offer me that I can't get here, and I really don't see any need the industry has that is large enough, and commonly felt among the rank and file cleaners that would cause us to coalesce into a functioning entity devoid of the selfishness and greediness that always occurs. Letit go. Let it die. Please.
Mikey P
Administrator
But Marty
There's 264 cleaners across the country who have not found the internet yet. Whatever will they do with out someone to tell them how to remove lipstick stains from a lazy boy?
(actually there's 19,453 clueless cleaners left, but only 264 of them can read. of those 264 only 32 ever get online, 3 for something other than porn but those 3 will find rob soon enough.)
There's 264 cleaners across the country who have not found the internet yet. Whatever will they do with out someone to tell them how to remove lipstick stains from a lazy boy?
(actually there's 19,453 clueless cleaners left, but only 264 of them can read. of those 264 only 32 ever get online, 3 for something other than porn but those 3 will find rob soon enough.)
billyeadon
Supportive Member
Mikey,
those three were in my last class and couldn't figure out how to fill out a scantron sheet and circled all the answers in the exam booklet. That was after watching a 60 slide presentation on how to fill out a scantron sheet. I wish I was kidding. Actually only 1 did that as the other guy circled all of the little circles he was supposed to fill in.
those three were in my last class and couldn't figure out how to fill out a scantron sheet and circled all the answers in the exam booklet. That was after watching a 60 slide presentation on how to fill out a scantron sheet. I wish I was kidding. Actually only 1 did that as the other guy circled all of the little circles he was supposed to fill in.
Desk Jockey
Member
Its a great idea and I applaud you for the effort and concern about the future of the industry. However Facebook and Bulletin Boards can never take the place of associations. They are excellent platforms for the exchange of information, pop in and out with a notification. They work great for keeping in tough with the fast moving information age.
Its fast and easy to get involved but to get those participating to act as an association is asking more from them than most of the membership cares to be involved with. I don't see it ever happening.
While I don't believe Associations are dead, but the way they operate now must change in order for them to survive and thrive. They must be more responsive in real time not the way of pony express. We as cleaners have operate our business with email, texting and online scheduling why should we expect less from an association. We shouldn't.
Dead no, the need for them to elevate their game? Certainly.
The IICRC certifying body...it can't be replaced. Improved, yes. They are working on it. I wish they moved faster but progress at this level takes time.
I hear everyone whining about how much they pay and how little they get. Ok, how much do you pay? $50.00 - $65.00 for testing? $100.00 to be a certified firm? How far do expect that to go? What kind of marketing can you get for that?
We are expecting too much if you expect them as a certify body to market for you. That's not who they are or what they do.
They are NOT an association, they certify classes and testing.
Facebook or MB will not replace these entities.
Its fast and easy to get involved but to get those participating to act as an association is asking more from them than most of the membership cares to be involved with. I don't see it ever happening.
While I don't believe Associations are dead, but the way they operate now must change in order for them to survive and thrive. They must be more responsive in real time not the way of pony express. We as cleaners have operate our business with email, texting and online scheduling why should we expect less from an association. We shouldn't.
Dead no, the need for them to elevate their game? Certainly.
The IICRC certifying body...it can't be replaced. Improved, yes. They are working on it. I wish they moved faster but progress at this level takes time.
I hear everyone whining about how much they pay and how little they get. Ok, how much do you pay? $50.00 - $65.00 for testing? $100.00 to be a certified firm? How far do expect that to go? What kind of marketing can you get for that?
We are expecting too much if you expect them as a certify body to market for you. That's not who they are or what they do.
They are NOT an association, they certify classes and testing.
Facebook or MB will not replace these entities.
Shane Deubell
Supportive Member
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IICRC is actually needed more then ever in the intronet age.
Somebody has to be coming up with standards and verifying instruction material/instructor competence.
Kinda like newspapers have editors who fact check sources/stories. Well blogs dont so people read all kinds of bs information on the internet without realizing its all made up.
Somebody has to be coming up with standards and verifying instruction material/instructor competence.
Kinda like newspapers have editors who fact check sources/stories. Well blogs dont so people read all kinds of bs information on the internet without realizing its all made up.
billyeadon
Supportive Member
Nice retrospective Joe. I agree with your thoughts. Say hi to Steve as the industry misses him.
Mikey P
Administrator
How much of that generated fee income is being wasted on these upcoming shows?
Desk Jockey
Member
I'm not sure, they are two different entities.
One the certifying body that collects those fees the other is an upstart association. So did one fund the other?
That is way above my pay grade. I couldn't answer that.
????
One the certifying body that collects those fees the other is an upstart association. So did one fund the other?
That is way above my pay grade. I couldn't answer that.
????
Desk Jockey
Member
Define wasted? What about all the people that claim they get nothing for from associations? Here is training and a trade show. Hardly wasted, except maybe on those that like to complain but wouldn't be involved anyway. (Porkchop)
Mikey P
Administrator
Wasted as in better spent on more pressing issues.
Like someone to answer the phone.
Or creating a real value in being a member.
Like someone to answer the phone.
Or creating a real value in being a member.
Desk Jockey
Member
I agree. I'd like my tests to be graded faster.
I'd also like to get 100% all the time too but I guess that ain't happening either.
Was that really true about no one answering the phone? How is that possible?
Desk Jockey
Member
Oz comes here and talks about the association. Tony? Only you and he know. Maybe he's too busy.
This is JUST a bulletin board...not real life.
This is JUST a bulletin board...not real life.
Mikey P
Administrator
I'm talking about promoting online education (such as MB) to it's members.
Are they afraid that most will soon feel the same way as Marty and find them unneeded?
Tony and OZ will say they don't want to push people HERE because of Cooper.
But how long has Tony been involved now? a lot longer than since last September.
The IICRC was offered a complete sub-forum here for which to do what ever they pleased. Are they somehow above us all?
I think not.
Are they afraid that most will soon feel the same way as Marty and find them unneeded?
Tony and OZ will say they don't want to push people HERE because of Cooper.
But how long has Tony been involved now? a lot longer than since last September.
The IICRC was offered a complete sub-forum here for which to do what ever they pleased. Are they somehow above us all?
I think not.
Desk Jockey
Member
Mikey P
Administrator
How many of these people look like they own a twitter account, let alone know how to cut and paste? lol
and why is Jasper still listed, he quit in disgust last April.
Meet the IICRC board of directors and executive committee.
CHAIRMAN, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
Tony Wheelwright
Bio | Contact
PAST CHAIRMAIN, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
Darrell Paulson
Bio | Contact
FIRST VICE PRESIDENT, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
Pete Duncanson
Bio | Contact
SECOND VICE PRESIDENT
Joseph Hughes
Bio | Contact
SECRETARY, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
Kevin Pearson
Bio | Contact
TREASURER, CHAIRMAN - CERTIFICATION COUNCIL
Norm Maia
Bio | Contact
INTERNATIONAL VICE PRESIDENT, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
Jenny Boymal
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Paul Pearce
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Craig Jasper
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Patrick Moffett
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Dennis Blake
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Joe Dobbins
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Peter Crosa
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Steve Spivak
Bio | Contact
HONORARY BOARD MEMBER
Randy Rapp
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Steve Moran
Bio | Contact
Bio | Contact
and why is Jasper still listed, he quit in disgust last April.
Meet the IICRC board of directors and executive committee.
CHAIRMAN, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
Tony Wheelwright
Bio | Contact
PAST CHAIRMAIN, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
Darrell Paulson
Bio | Contact
FIRST VICE PRESIDENT, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
Pete Duncanson
Bio | Contact
SECOND VICE PRESIDENT
Joseph Hughes
Bio | Contact
SECRETARY, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
Kevin Pearson
Bio | Contact
TREASURER, CHAIRMAN - CERTIFICATION COUNCIL
Norm Maia
Bio | Contact
INTERNATIONAL VICE PRESIDENT, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
Jenny Boymal
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Paul Pearce
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Craig Jasper
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Patrick Moffett
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Dennis Blake
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Joe Dobbins
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Peter Crosa
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Steve Spivak
Bio | Contact
HONORARY BOARD MEMBER
Randy Rapp
Bio | Contact
DIRECTOR
Steve Moran
Bio | Contact
Bio | Contact
Desk Jockey
Member
If you're serious those are some very sharp individuals in that group.
Darrell Paulson? He is a very accomplished businessman.
Darrell Paulson? He is a very accomplished businessman.
hogjowl
Idiot™
Sharp?
They look like a bunch of old carpet cleaners to me.
They look like a bunch of old carpet cleaners to me.
Desk Jockey
Member
You get a cookie for being so smart!
I am always disappointed by how many truly don't understand what the IICRC is and what they are not. Adding an association with a similar acronym didn't help matters either.
Desk Jockey
Member
You wish you looked that good. I WISH you looked that good.
Mikey P
Administrator
No I'm not (totally) serious..
But I would feel a bit more comforted if our industry had at least one representative under the age of 70..
and had an nose ring or at least a neck tattoo.
But I would feel a bit more comforted if our industry had at least one representative under the age of 70..
and had an nose ring or at least a neck tattoo.
Lee Stockwell
FOJL
Pricks are sharp
Mikey P
Administrator
lets get back on track here.
Would the iicrcA have been invented if not for the Connections fiasco?
was the need for the profit generated from trade shows great enough to create this whole distraction?
Would the iicrcA have been invented if not for the Connections fiasco?
was the need for the profit generated from trade shows great enough to create this whole distraction?
Desk Jockey
Member
LOL
You are sooo cold!
You are sooo cold!
Desk Jockey
Member
Correct me if I'm wrong (I never am) but I recall it being a part of the master plan Tony envisioned. I thought it was a way to answer those that always claimed the IICRC did nothing for them. The association would be able to actually do "something for them".
Desk Jockey
Member
I've ALWAYS thought porkfritter was "sharp".
Shane Deubell
Supportive Member
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We just throw it in one big pile.
hogjowl
Idiot™
Somehow, a pile of carpet cleaners just doesn't inspire me to climb on.
