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The IICRCA was needed and conceived of years before the Connection break-up. As a certification body, legally the IICRC cna not provide benefits to it's Certified firms. They are not an Association and have no "members".

"Its a great idea and I applaud you for the effort and concern about the future of the industry. However Facebook and Bulletin Boards can never take the place of associations. They are excellent platforms for the exchange of information, pop in and out with a notification. They work great for keeping in tough with the fast moving information age. "

My point is a modern associations will need to be born online. Going to in-person meeting will happen afterwards.
 
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My point is a modern associations will need to be born online. Going to in-person meeting will happen afterwards.
Its easy to ask if there is any interest.
But don't be surprised if those rebels want to string you up. Too many would rather bitch than get involved and lord if you're asking for money from them. God help ya! :winky:

But to get you off to a good start let me say "I won't help, I won't put any money into it until its all built and working well. I will tell you it won't work. I will tear you down at every chance I get and I will tell you it won't work...until it does. Of course by then I was all for it!" :lol:
 

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Or maybe a cowboy hat, sandal wearing, vegetarian?
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Its easy to ask if there is any interest.
But don't be surprised if those rebels want to string you up. Too many would rather bitch than get involved and lord if you're asking for money from them. God help ya! :winky:

But to get you off to a good start let me say "I won't help, I won't put any money into it until its all built and working well. I will tell you it won't work. I will tear you down at every chance I get and I will tell you it won't work...until it does. Of course by then I was all for it!" :lol:
You know the carpet cleaners slogan.

Don't tell me what to do!!!!
 

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Not to sound like I am defending the the IICRC but when this topic comes up all I hear is a bunch of bitching.

You never hear sound dialog with a positive tone suggesting the way to go forward.

All you hear is personal attacks and severe criticism. I have never experienced positive feedback from leadership when I did not come with a answer to the problem and a willingness to help invest time to solve the problem.

It does appear the mug shots indicate a group that needs help. The question is who is going to stop the bitching and pitch in to help bring change.

Change will come from a large number of people joining the current system and bring positive attitudes. The key would be to bring multiple new members in a short period of time.

We would need the assistance of the 2 major distributors and 8-10 of the top manufactures. A high functioning industry would do nothing but benefit those companies profits.

When you are selling yourself as a professional training, certification and industry standards are very helpful.

Maybe the old statement applies here Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

I would love to sit around a table in FL later this month and hear from a few who have more history in this industry then I do. You never know a positive conversation just might be the start of making our industry better.

Its obvious lots of mistakes have been made. The question is how to correct them.
 

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Here are my ideas

1. Buying property in Vegas. They should have located more central to the largest population centers. Dallas
St. Louis & Chicago would have been stronger communities. More centrally located and all cities have the largest distributors regional offices. All have locally many major companies that operate in the industry. Most in our business are small family business. Vegas is not the panacea for a vacation.

This would also allow a greater number of people to be able to drive to a national training center. Lowering the cost for small companies. You would also have major companies that might be able to assist with onsite training and help the association.

2. Not setting up a online renewal system for certified firms and individuals prior to the move.

3. Not reworking the 3 basic classes to a online training and testing at a local testing center. Then you could go to a 2 day hands on qualification. Many professional organizations do this already. Financial testing for your series 6 & 7 license happens this ways every day. This should be relatively easy.

4. Not being peace makers and working to unify the factions to one major trade-show and business training event. What if you could come to the show and get your basic class. What if SFS was a 3 day and you could get 2 days of the trade show. What if you could do a 2 day advanced drying class. What if helpful classes like constant contacts training, quickbooks training, HR classes from a legal consultant where given? What if you did not hear infomercials for other businesses disguised as work shops.

5. Negotiating with the top online communities to do town halls. This would allow open dialogue with those that currently lead local businesses. If those attending can not dialog professionally. They are dropped from the online access.

6. Setting up regional representation to the board. This would allow interaction with a board member by more owners. It would also allow someone to hold smaller regional events or round tables.

7. Restricting a majority percentage of board seats to members currently operating a company.

8. Hire a CEO / General manager that is not from the industry but has significant experience leading in a corporate setting. Not many in this industry possess those qualifications. Bring in a expert leader.
Give this person the authority to lead and implement change. Have a small 2-4 person executive committee that works with this person.

9. Raise the standard of a certified firm and raise the cost to be a certified firm.

Just a few of my thoughts for improvement.
 
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Great post Tom.

Too bad no one from the iicrc will answer.


Too busy trying to sell me a booth at the May Event next to the other 3 vendors.
Hey my friend your a leader in our industry.
Use your voice in a positive way to bring change.
People are listening.

Heck I know one of my techs had you on the phone today helping to get us out of a situation.

Thanks my friend.
 

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All grand ideas Tom.


So why do you think adding another two trade shows per year took precedence over any of your suggestions?
Because we do not have a independent CEO / General manger helping to develop vision and mission.

This is what you get when you lead by committee.

Heck I spent 13 years in non-profits leading I can tell you committees always screw things up.

Also because we do not have a regional structure to leadership. The people have lost representation.
 

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We don't really know BUT I'll take a stab at it.

Could it be that the proceeds from previous ventures were paltry in comparison to receipts? A new show could actually funnel funds back into building something better for the industry as a whole instead of just beneftting a few. ???
 

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We don't really know BUT I take a stab at it. Could it be that the proceeds from previous ventures were paltry in comparison to receipts? A new show could actually funnel funds back into building something better for the industry as a whole instead of just beneftting a few. ???
I think you are correct Richard. The shows in our industry should benefit the association. It will take some really selfless moves by a few to correct this.

The show should be programed by owners currently operating a business not those who sold 20 -30 years ago.

The show should also rotate in areas where a greater number of people can come for a lower cost. Drive in, Camp locally in a RV, Ability to make it a family vacation.

Trade shows are a major expense for most small operators.
 
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Hey what if every 3-5 years the show was with in 3 hours of you and you could take the whole team to one day of the trade-show and a class or two. How great would that be?
I would love to shut down on a Friday and stay over the weekend with our team as a reward.
Vegas will never allow that. Cost prohibitive.
 
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We don't really know BUT I'll take a stab at it.

Could it be that the proceeds from previous ventures were paltry in comparison to receipts? A new show could actually funnel funds back into building something better for the industry as a whole instead of just beneftting a few. ???
all good in theory..

but didn't we hear that the old guy they hired to produce their shows was earning over 100k off the deal?


maybe I'm wrong.
 
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Tom between you and Mike, we have the beginnings of a group that could make the changes you speak of....

I'm sure if the two of you throw your hats in the ring, others will follow.
 
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Having to show rotate the location. That's the way the ISSA does it. Chicago, Atlanta, Vegas, Orlando etc.
Although it's great to see friends and associates annually, we don't see anything different from one year to the next.
I would hope for regional association events like CAD days but put on as a joint effort by the vendors.
There has to be at least 10 Distributors in California. That's 10 possible CAD days.
Instead how about having 1 show that the customers can attend and the vendors would appreciate.
 

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... Say hi to Steve as the industry misses him.
What? Where am I going off to, Yeadon? Bill, do you know something I don't know?

Steve

PS I enjoyed reading your piece too, Joe. Yes, I knew and respected Ed York. His viewpoints were a huge part of my learning curve when starting out as a carpet cleaner back in the early '70's. Ed's "rants and raves" were the first thing I read when I opened my mail. I think they should still be required reading.

And I bought four CDS units from Steve Brandt. (Heck, I even knew Mike Palmer!) Now I feel sorta old... Thanks a lot, Joe!
 
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Here are my ideas

1. Buying property in Vegas. They should have located more central to the largest population centers. Dallas
St. Louis & Chicago would have been stronger communities. More centrally located and all cities have the largest distributors regional offices. All have locally many major companies that operate in the industry. Most in our business are small family business. Vegas is not the panacea for a vacation.

This would also allow a greater number of people to be able to drive to a national training center. Lowering the cost for small companies. You would also have major companies that might be able to assist with onsite training and help the association.

2. Not setting up a online renewal system for certified firms and individuals prior to the move.

3. Not reworking the 3 basic classes to a online training and testing at a local testing center. Then you could go to a 2 day hands on qualification. Many professional organizations do this already. Financial testing for your series 6 & 7 license happens this ways every day. This should be relatively easy.

4. Not being peace makers and working to unify the factions to one major trade-show and business training event. What if you could come to the show and get your basic class. What if SFS was a 3 day and you could get 2 days of the trade show. What if you could do a 2 day advanced drying class. What if helpful classes like constant contacts training, quickbooks training, HR classes from a legal consultant where given? What if you did not hear infomercials for other businesses disguised as work shops.

5. Negotiating with the top online communities to do town halls. This would allow open dialogue with those that currently lead local businesses. If those attending can not dialog professionally. They are dropped from the online access.

6. Setting up regional representation to the board. This would allow interaction with a board member by more owners. It would also allow someone to hold smaller regional events or round tables.

7. Restricting a majority percentage of board seats to members currently operating a company.

8. Hire a CEO / General manager that is not from the industry but has significant experience leading in a corporate setting. Not many in this industry possess those qualifications. Bring in a expert leader.
Give this person the authority to lead and implement change. Have a small 2-4 person executive committee that works with this person.

9. Raise the standard of a certified firm and raise the cost to be a certified firm.

Just a few of my thoughts for improvement.

huh, very much were I was headed but I'm having a hard time with 1-9 :-)
 
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And that's why Joe is on the IICRCA Board. To disturb the peace and bring a different perspective. Pesky laws and other stuff keep us from doing everything a private business can, but that popping noise you hear is from all of us 70-somethings being pulled into the future.

The only point I can disagree with Joe on is having any kid in a coffee shop be your voice. The vast majority of information on the internet is noise, so just turning up the volume does no one any good. That techie needs to be paired with some stodgy old coot that can turn the noise into music.

Notice that Interlink and Jondon aren't represented here by 20-somethings?



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Tony and OZ will say they don't want to push people HERE because of Cooper.
Don't be a mini-Cooper Mikey. The Great Oz never said that.
 

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You are right oh Great OZ Steve is just barely into his thirties and I am right behind him. Now I can't vouch for Scott as I think he fits in nicely with those 70 something guys.

And that's why Joe is on the IICRCA Board. To disturb the peace and bring a different perspective. Pesky laws and other stuff keep us from doing everything a private business can, but that popping noise you hear is from all of us 70-somethings being pulled into the future.

The only point I can disagree with Joe on is having any kid in a coffee shop be your voice. The vast majority of information on the internet is noise, so just turning up the volume does no one any good. That techie needs to be paired with some stodgy old coot that can turn the noise into music.

Notice that Interlink and Jondon aren't represented here by 20-somethings?



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Don't be a mini-Cooper Mikey. The Great Oz never said that.
 
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Change will come from a large number of people joining the current system and bring positive attitudes. The key would be to bring multiple new members in a short period of time. That's exactly what the IICRC did to affect the positive changes you're starting to see. The CA hasn't been in place for a year yet, so is all new. That's at the top though, plenty of people still involved in the IICRC that are actively trying to damage the organization. Being inclusive has its drawbacks.
We would need the assistance of the 2 major distributors and 8-10 of the top manufactures. A high functioning industry would do nothing but benefit those companies profits. Yep. We're actually running to get tradeshows off the ground because those industry leading companies begged/demanded that we do it. They are a vital part of the industry.
Its obvious lots of mistakes have been made. The question is how to correct them. See the answer to the first question.

Here are my ideas
These are directed toward the Institute
1. Buying property in Vegas. They should have located more central to the largest population centers. Dallas
St. Louis & Chicago would have been stronger communities. More centrally located and all cities have the largest distributors regional offices. All have locally many major companies that operate in the industry. Most in our business are small family business. Vegas is not the panacea for a vacation. Vegas was chosen for several reasons: They were one of the hardest hit real estate markets, so more building for the money there; Vegas is a relatively cheap flight from everywhere; Vegas is the center of the tradeshow biz, so we're more likely to be where our member organizations are having their indvidual events. Vegas does have things to do outside of the casinos, so you don't have to wander the Strip.
And, it can be affordable. For example, the IICRCA has suites at the Rio for $79 a night, far less than Chicago or Dallas hotels (or Clearwater) charge for lower level rooms.
2. Not setting up a online renewal system for certified firms and individuals prior to the move. A little management change went along with the move, so setting this up prior to the move would have been a waste of time. One of the primary reasons they chose Metacred as the management company is that they're experts in the field of testing, training, and on-line services, so the pace of this change will pick up quickly.
3. Not reworking the 3 basic classes to a online training and testing at a local testing center. Then you could go to a 2 day hands on qualification. Many professional organizations do this already. Financial testing for your series 6 & 7 license happens this ways every day. This should be relatively easy. The plan is to take the first day of the cleaning courses, fibers and chemistry and other book-lernin and put it on-line. This class would then be a prerequisite to other courses that can then be more involved in the particular subject. The technical part is easy, but allowing all of the instructors and schools to change all of their methodology without tearing their arms off takes more time.

These seem more directed toward the association
4. Not being peace makers and working to unify the factions to one major trade-show and business training event. We're on our way to that, with 23 industry organization joining IICRCA already. We want to be as inclusive as possible, and I have a concept that I think will work well for most, but we also get to be discerning about who we work with. What if you could come to the show and get your basic class. What if SFS was a 3 day and you could get 2 days of the trade show. What if you could do a 2 day advanced drying class. What if helpful classes like constant contacts training, quickbooks training, HR classes from a legal consultant where given? All of these are great ideas. Our local has done what you suggest without the tradeshow and had mostly good results, so the IICRCA will be offering to help our regional groups do the same. What if you did not hear infomercials for other businesses disguised as work shops That was the biggest complaint from the last years of Connections and previous Experience shows, and is why the trade associations wanted to do their own show.
5. Negotiating with the top online communities to do town halls. This would allow open dialogue with those that currently lead local businesses. If those attending can not dialog professionally. They are dropped from the online access. Great idea! Although some "leading" on-line communities are already bar fights or have been set up to be divisive, and who wants to bother with that?
6. Setting up regional representation to the board. This would allow interaction with a board member by more owners. It would also allow someone to hold smaller regional events or round tables. Regional representation is already the basis of the organization, and we'll actively help with the already-produced-by-regionals local meetings and events, or help them put on events that they can have a hand in.
7. Restricting a majority percentage of board seats to members currently operating a company. Who do you intend to exclude?
8. Hire a CEO / General manager that is not from the industry but has significant experience leading in a corporate setting. Not many in this industry possess those qualifications. Bring in a expert leader. Give this person the authority to lead and implement change. Have a small 2-4 person executive committee that works with this person. Sounds great in theory, in practice this type of leadership has proven to be a disaster for the organizations that try it. Well, unless you're the Bono-type of non-profit where all of the profit goes to the leadership and you just don't care if anything is actually accomplished.
9. Raise the standard of a certified firm and raise the cost to be a certified firm. Are you pro or anti mom and pop Tom? You want events where you can sleep in your car to save money but want to charge more to get in? :icon_twisted:
Just a few of my thoughts for improvement.

Thanks Tom, nicely done
 
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We're actually running to get tradeshows off the ground because those industry leading companies begged/demanded that we do it

lol.... who would that be?

The Styrofoam and Plastic Tab Company Of Peoria IL and Uncle Sam Portable Mfg?




Not a single company that I've talked to wanted the IICRC to put on a show.
 

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While we're on the subject..


For Immediate Release:

The Experience Events Announces an Additional Important Industry Session: How Will the Newly Updated IICRC S500 Standard Affect Your Business? Special Industry Panel Discussion – Let’s Review the Critical Updates to the 2015 IICRC S500 with the Committee.

Denver, CO — Experience Events, LLC announced today that at The Experience in Clearwater Beach Florida April 29, 2015 a Special Industry Panel Will Be Brought together featuring: How Will the Newly Updated IICRC S500 Standard Affect Your Business? Special Industry Panel Discussion – Let’s Review the Critical Updates to the 2015 IICRC S500. It has been 9 years since the last update; it’s time to publish the updated document. What do you think about the revisions and changes to the S500?

Learn the process for updating this important industry standard and participate in an open discussion about the changes and updates. Hear from Special Guests: Howie Wolf, Standards Chairman, Larry Carlson, Jim Holland, Standard Committee Members & Panel Moderator Millie Washington, Standards Administrator.

There has been much discussion, and 4 public reviews for the document. Some are opposed, some are in favor and most of us don’t know the changes. “Larry Cooper, managing director of The Experience stated, we invited the prestigious S500 Standard Committee to come to The Experience and work with our attendees so that they can learn first-hand what the important changes are to the standards of care for the water damage restoration industry. It’s time to learn first-hand from the authors of the document how they made decisions and how they will benefit the industry going forward.” In addition to the panel there will be a ballroom set up for a live demonstration of the changes made to the amount of airmovers used on the jobs. There will be presentations and question and answer time. You will want to be at this very important session.


The Experience Team is working to continue their well-regarded platform of education utilizing a combination of written materials, classroom trainings and hands on demonstrations. The sessions are a critical part of our program to help us all stay up to date and learn the latest in the industry. The hands-on demonstrations will be expanded and used to further research, teach and instruct how to apply what is learned in the classroom.


The Experience trade shows feature manufacturers, distributors, suppliers, educators, associations, organizations and others who provided goods and services to the cleaning and restoration industry. The show will feature carpet cleaning, upholstery cleaning, area rug cleaning, hard surface and concrete floor cleaning, sealing and restoration, inspections, water damage restoration, fire damage restoration, mold remediation, trauma scene clean-up, duct cleaning, maintenance type services, basic construction practices, business management, and marketing, training in operations and services and sales training. The goal of these conventions and trade shows is to offer tools and training that individuals and businesses can immediately incorporate into their businesses for growth and greater profits.


“The Experience” shows are scheduled April 27, 28 and 29, 2015 in the Hilton Clearwater Beach, Florida and Las Vegas Nevada September 9, 10 and 11, 2015 at the Mirage Hotel and Casino.


For more information go to: www.experiencetheevents.com or call at 888-881-1001 x10.
 

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Change will come from a large number of people joining the current system and bring positive attitudes. The key would be to bring multiple new members in a short period of time. That's exactly what the IICRC did to affect the positive changes you're starting to see. The CA hasn't been in place for a year yet, so is all new. That's at the top though, plenty of people still involved in the IICRC that are actively trying to damage the organization. Being inclusive has its drawbacks.
We would need the assistance of the 2 major distributors and 8-10 of the top manufactures. A high functioning industry would do nothing but benefit those companies profits. Yep. We're actually running to get tradeshows off the ground because those industry leading companies begged/demanded that we do it. They are a vital part of the industry.
Its obvious lots of mistakes have been made. The question is how to correct them. See the answer to the first question.

Here are my ideas
These are directed toward the Institute
1. Buying property in Vegas. They should have located more central to the largest population centers. Dallas
St. Louis & Chicago would have been stronger communities. More centrally located and all cities have the largest distributors regional offices. All have locally many major companies that operate in the industry. Most in our business are small family business. Vegas is not the panacea for a vacation. Vegas was chosen for several reasons: They were one of the hardest hit real estate markets, so more building for the money there; Vegas is a relatively cheap flight from everywhere; Vegas is the center of the tradeshow biz, so we're more likely to be where our member organizations are having their indvidual events. Vegas does have things to do outside of the casinos, so you don't have to wander the Strip.
And, it can be affordable. For example, the IICRCA has suites at the Rio for $79 a night, far less than Chicago or Dallas hotels (or Clearwater) charge for lower level rooms.
2. Not setting up a online renewal system for certified firms and individuals prior to the move. A little management change went along with the move, so setting this up prior to the move would have been a waste of time. One of the primary reasons they chose Metacred as the management company is that they're experts in the field of testing, training, and on-line services, so the pace of this change will pick up quickly.
3. Not reworking the 3 basic classes to a online training and testing at a local testing center. Then you could go to a 2 day hands on qualification. Many professional organizations do this already. Financial testing for your series 6 & 7 license happens this ways every day. This should be relatively easy. The plan is to take the first day of the cleaning courses, fibers and chemistry and other book-lernin and put it on-line. This class would then be a prerequisite to other courses that can then be more involved in the particular subject. The technical part is easy, but allowing all of the instructors and schools to change all of their methodology without tearing their arms off takes more time.

These seem more directed toward the association
4. Not being peace makers and working to unify the factions to one major trade-show and business training event. We're on our way to that, with 23 industry organization joining IICRCA already. We want to be as inclusive as possible, and I have a concept that I think will work well for most, but we also get to be discerning about who we work with. What if you could come to the show and get your basic class. What if SFS was a 3 day and you could get 2 days of the trade show. What if you could do a 2 day advanced drying class. What if helpful classes like constant contacts training, quickbooks training, HR classes from a legal consultant where given? All of these are great ideas. Our local has done what you suggest without the tradeshow and had mostly good results, so the IICRCA will be offering to help our regional groups do the same. What if you did not hear infomercials for other businesses disguised as work shops That was the biggest complaint from the last years of Connections and previous Experience shows, and is why the trade associations wanted to do their own show.
5. Negotiating with the top online communities to do town halls. This would allow open dialogue with those that currently lead local businesses. If those attending can not dialog professionally. They are dropped from the online access. Great idea! Although some "leading" on-line communities are already bar fights or have been set up to be divisive, and who wants to bother with that?
6. Setting up regional representation to the board. This would allow interaction with a board member by more owners. It would also allow someone to hold smaller regional events or round tables. Regional representation is already the basis of the organization, and we'll actively help with the already-produced-by-regionals local meetings and events, or help them put on events that they can have a hand in.
7. Restricting a majority percentage of board seats to members currently operating a company. Who do you intend to exclude?
8. Hire a CEO / General manager that is not from the industry but has significant experience leading in a corporate setting. Not many in this industry possess those qualifications. Bring in a expert leader. Give this person the authority to lead and implement change. Have a small 2-4 person executive committee that works with this person. Sounds great in theory, in practice this type of leadership has proven to be a disaster for the organizations that try it. Well, unless you're the Bono-type of non-profit where all of the profit goes to the leadership and you just don't care if anything is actually accomplished.
9. Raise the standard of a certified firm and raise the cost to be a certified firm. Are you pro or anti mom and pop Tom? You want events where you can sleep in your car to save money but want to charge more to get in? :icon_twisted:
Just a few of my thoughts for improvement.

Thanks Tom, nicely done

What do you think the Two major distributors are up too?
 

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We're actually running to get tradeshows off the ground because those industry leading companies begged/demanded that we do itClick to expand...
lol.... who would that be?
The Styrofoam and Plastic Tab Company Of Peoria IL and Uncle Sam Portable Mfg?

Not a single company that I've talked to wanted the IICRC to put on a show.
You have the contact information for those two?

The companies that wanted the IICRCA to put on a show? I'm not going to out them. Short term they'll save a buck by ditching us, but waiting until we're completely dominant to show the support they promised will prove to have been a poor business decision.

On a more positive note, the companies that support the inaugural event get to be labled as founding members, and will have that designation to brag about forever. Unlike being at Woodstock, they'll be able to prove it.
 
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