The future of Glides

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You know everyone has been looking at this case and now the reexamination of the patents AS THE DECIDING FACTORS ON THE FUTURE OF GLIDES. I have to disagree for several reasons, for one the war on glides kind of reminds me of the war on drugs. A few victories here and there from a legal standpoint, but despite billions of dollars being spent every illegal drug out there is available, even in small cities. Now I'm not suggesting anyone enter the drug trafficking business, or even start using for that matter, but STRICTLY as a business / strategy "session" if I was in the glide business or considering entering it I might watch the documentaries Cocaine Cowboys 1&2. Reading Reefer Madness by Eric Schlosser that chronicles the war waged by The United States of America v. Reuben Sturman and Phil Harvey would be on my list as well. Although like Cocaine cowboys Reefer madness deals a bit with the illegal drug business, it also tells the story of these two pornographers. Chicago Outfit (MOB) connected Reuban Sturman operated out of Cleveland , Ohio and controlled an enormous empire of adult related enterprises. Phil Harvey was based in Chapel Hill, North Carolina and operated Adam & Eve a large manufacturer of adult products and pornographic films. Both men had the attention of the Justice Department because the Attorney General of the United States Ed Meese objected to their products, regardless of the fact that what they were selling was legal (well apart from the skimming, tax evasion, and pay offs to the Gambino crime family & Chicago Outfit ). The book tells an interesting story of how these various inter-locking enterprises were operated in a ever changing daisy chain of Shell corporations & LLCs that couldn't be traced to the real owners.

For illustrative purposes: A New Mexican LLC can be set up without the operator or owner providing their name. No Members have to be listed on the forms to set up the LLC. No officers listed like in a corporation (no president, treasure NONE).

There are services that will set up these LLC's , attorneys that will serve as registered agent and not even KNOW YOU.
No paper trail leading to you. Literally these intitles hide the operators in well cloaked anonymity.

Lets say a Glide pusher wanted to bootleg "illegal" glides all over the world. With a carefully set up, constantly changing group of LLC's , the BIG BAD WOLF (attorneys for HR for illustrative purposes) would be faced with the untenable position of suing a long lists of Shell LLCs and accomplishing nothing at the end of the day. Monday they sue ABC manufacturing & Tuesday xyz LLC starts selling glides.

Glides could be paid for by money orders (not postal service money orders) with the PAYEE left blank to be filed in on receipt, or with cash. All delivered by Fed Ex. Sure it would require a few odd business practices but I believe Glide users will jump through a few hoops to clean with Glides. I also can see a many a bootleggers & Glide traffickers popping up all over the country. A well run network of "just among friends" distributors that buy their Glides from a guy named Flounder and sell them to their buddies in the parking lot of their local distributor, or occasionally the HOME DEPO parking lot.

Glides aren't going anywhere regardless of what HR does. They can sue till they are blue in the face and guys will still be buying GLIDES, and there will always be someone making & selling them, meeting that need.

You are talking about a product that is very easy to make, dirt cheap to make and sells at a premium mark up. There is no shutting that down. Prohibition proved that & the War on drugs proved that yet again. Manufacturing could occur in a well ventilated CAVE, with a few generators. If the United States military & CIA can't find Osama bin Laden.....
 

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I was wondering about the Mexico possibility or one of several other south american countries. It could get darn expensive for HR to try and chase someone outside the country. I can't see customs on the lookout for teflon glides.
A basic website is becoming so cheap to produce. I could see the possibility of one popping up just for a week or two every few months and then disappearing.
 

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I'm a little late to the party and don't know all the details...some might call it being a little dense.. oh well. I've only been a cleaner for a little over 2 years. I've read a lot of posts about the legal wranglings regarding Greenies troubles.

So a mandate has been handed down to stop all sales effective yesterday?

Does this apply to "any and all" types of glides, sliders, wand lips, etc....?
Besides Greenies Greenglides, I've seen those yellow Banana glides, Mr. Slide products and makers in various trade mags.

Is it just Greenie's manufacturing that this pertains to or all manufactures of any type of glides, slides, banana peels or whatever they're called?
Thanks for clearing a few things up.
 

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Despite all their threats, letters and bullshit they can't really make you stop using the product, or order you to turn your property over to them. Stopping the manufacturing is about all they can do. Lots of guys stocked up so I don't see Glides disappearing. So the current manufacturers stop making them, well at least the " illegal " design, that's unfortunate BUT someone will fill the void. The current designs will still be available regardless of what the patent reexamination decides.

It would be hilarious if the patents get tossed on reexamination after HR spent a small fortune defending their position.
 

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Another tunnel discovered under Nogales border

Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 10.22.2009

U.S. Border Patrol agents discovered a tunnel under the border in Nogales, Arizona on Wednesday. It was the first passageway agents have found in the Tucson sector in nearly four months.
The 30 feet long tunnel, located 150 yards east of the DeConcini Port of Entry, was fortified on the Mexican side with shoring, but on the American side it appeared unfinished, U.S. Border Patrol spokesman Mario Escalante said.
The tunnel was not connected to the drainage system. Escalante said there was no evidence as to who was using the tunnel but unmarked teflon devices were found scattered along the entry
“They already had an opening on the north side at the time we found it,” Escalante said. “It’s hard to say who was using it, but the point of a tunnel system (is to use it).”
The tunnel seems to have originated on the Mexican side of the border, where the tunnel starts off three feet wide by three feet tall and supported with shoring. On the American side, the tunnel is dirt-only and shrinks in size to 18 inches in circumference.
“On the Mexican side it’s properly done, but from that point on it’s kind of a hand-dug tunnel,”
Escalante said an outside contractor would fill in the hole with concrete in a remediation process today at the latest. Further investigations will follow regarding a CNC milling machine and cases of Teflon stock apparently tied into the discovery of the tunnel.
 

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What if … A bunch of pissed off cleaners around the country started filling individual small claims cases in their local court system against HR for things such as deceptive advertising, slander, fraud, emotional distress… x 4000 members

How much do you think it would cost HR to address litigation in
Portland, LA, Seattle, Topeka, Bakersfield, Boise, Santa Cruz, Denver, Rochester, Pensacola, Dallas, Detroit, Louisville …all at the same time?
 

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rhyde said:
What if … A bunch of pissed off cleaners around the country started filling individual small claims cases in their local court system against HR for things such as deceptive advertising, slander, fraud, emotional distress… x 4000 members

How much do you think it would cost HR to address litigation in
Portland, LA, Seattle, Topeka, Bakersfield, Boise, Santa Cruz, Denver, Rochester, Pensacola, Dallas, Detroit, Louisville …all at the same time?


I like the way you think..

..L.T.A.
 

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The other day I was watching a show about Ben & Jerrys ice cream and how the started. Early on when things began to take off for them a much much bigger Ice cream mfg. began telling their distributors that they could not sell their ice cream if they also sold Ben and Jerrys. Although this was against the law, they did not have the money to fight them in court. Instead one of the owners (either Ben or Jerry - I dont remember which), flew to there headquarters to picket outside. Before doing this they called all the press they could so they would come down and cover the story. They had a good turn out and before long the company decided it was not worth the bad press. Little guy wins.
 

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rhyde said:
What if … A bunch of pissed off cleaners around the country started filling individual small claims cases in their local court system against HR for things such as deceptive advertising, slander, fraud, emotional distress… x 4000 members

How much do you think it would cost HR to address litigation in
Portland, LA, Seattle, Topeka, Bakersfield, Boise, Santa Cruz, Denver, Rochester, Pensacola, Dallas, Detroit, Louisville …all at the same time?

They would probably end up earning more than they did from their CD operation by having you all found to be vexatious litigants, and being awarded damages/costs or whatever you call it. :(
 

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If every O/O and large company that uses a glide e mailed CNN in one day with their opinion of chem lie and how they don't clean and what HR is doing to the little guy. HR and every chem lie would be very busy with damage control. Could cost them a lot of $$$ when people find out they have been getting 1/2 a cleaning.
 

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maker said:
flew to there headquarters to picket outside. Before doing this they called all the press they could so they would come down and cover the story. They had a good turn out and before long the company decided it was not worth the bad press. Little guy wins.

A press release & Picketing Home depot/HR that’s not a bad idea.


roro said:
They would probably end up earning more than they did from their CD operation by having you all found to be vexatious litigants, and being awarded damages/costs or whatever you call it. :(

Not in a small claims court. Beyond that, HR has made blanket unsubstantiated claims about carpet hot water extraction while offering their clients hot water extraction this is deceptive and slanderous and unfairly harmed the integrity of hot water extraction cleaners.This slander exists in national and regional marketing campaigns TV, Print, brochures and postcards
 

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rhyde said:
What if … A bunch of pissed off cleaners around the country started filling individual small claims cases in their local court system against HR for things such as deceptive advertising, slander, fraud, emotional distress… x 4000 members

How much do you think it would cost HR to address litigation in
Portland, LA, Seattle, Topeka, Bakersfield, Boise, Santa Cruz, Denver, Rochester, Pensacola, Dallas, Detroit, Louisville …all at the same time?

dude that would be really really funny, :shock: :lol: :twisted: it would only cost around $50 bucks, each participant would just consider that a donation. I would also volunteer to process serve all papers to HRI in logan utah for free. I think that needs to go along with launching chemdrysucks.com
 

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i was actually talking about sueing them in small claims court all around the country the other day. i wonder how many cleaners would really be willing to do this. very good idea and it would spread hr legal staff and wallet a little bit thinner. imagine trying to defend a company in 50 or more different courts.
 

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Thats what i'm talking about!

Another thing, Attorneys are not allowed in small claims court except under special circumstances approved by the judge and the process of approval cost time & money
 

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If someone organized a thorough plan for each company to follow, this really could have an impact.
 

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Would the mills get involved? Am I remembering right that most mills void the warranty if any type of rotary machine is put on their carpets? Would it just be enough to show their warranty's in a small claims court that HWE is the preferred cleaning method by all major mills??

Oh, and I think FOX news would be much more "small business man" friendly that CNN. Oh, and Fox News has a much higher number of viewers...more than double!
 

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Mikey P said:
If some of you want to use this forum to organize this battle plan I can set up a room (private or public) here.

I say lets do it, again, mail all lawsuits to me, and I will serve all law suits in person in logan utah, that would save each suit at least $20 in process services fees alone minimum
 

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